Apr 9, 2004 21:44
20 yrs ago
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English term

Never... before OR since? or NOR?

English Art/Literary Idioms / Maxims / Sayings Grammar question
This is actually a monolingual question:
In the sentence "We have never seen a greater ruler, before or since." is "before or since" correct, or should it be "before nor since"? Both sound correct to me, and I can see arguments on both sides. Does anyone have a definitive answer? By the way, the context is relatively colloquial (a fictionalized retelling of the Gospels), but I still want to follow proper rules where they apply.

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before or since...

never/nor would be a double negative, which English hates.

nor is used only in a few contexts: neither/nor.

never/nor just doesn't work.

I did not do this, nor did I do that.

I never did this, nor did I ever do that.

HOwever, I never jumped out of a plane, either before I turned 40 OR since.
Peer comment(s):

agree NGK
6 mins
agree Kim Metzger : The deep structure of 'before or since' is 'either before or since.' Nor is used with neither.
7 mins
good point... thanks...
agree RHELLER : agree with Kim
1 hr
agree Charlie Bavington : with Kim also
1 hr
agree Nancy Arrowsmith
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agree RNolder (X) : the rule I learned in school was "neither...nor; either...or".
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agree Ingrid Blank
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agree Manfred Mondt : My vote for Marian and Kim.
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agree Elena Sgarbo (X) : Yes..... Hi Marian!. The cherry trees in DC were beautiful!!!!
6 hrs
they were indeed... but the wind on Sunday was unbelievable.... Saludos
agree humbird : Agree Marian, yah I like the way you put it ... English hates double negative.
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thanks!
agree Elvira Stoianov
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agree Science451
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agree Jörgen Slet : with Marian and Kim
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agree Liesbeth Huijer
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agree Deborah do Carmo
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agree David Moore (X)
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agree perke
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