Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
le recouvrement entre ces deux notions
English translation:
the overlap between these two notions
Added to glossary by
Carol Gullidge
Jun 4, 2008 10:43
16 yrs ago
French term
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le recouvrement entre ces deux notions
French to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
social psychology
L’idéologie et les représentations sociales montrent une grande diversité d’approches: d’après Vergès (1991, p. 159) « la réduction de l’une à l’autre ou leur mise en face à face dépend d’un parti pris théorique ». Selon la façon dont on définit ces deux notions les relations qu’on leur attribue ne seront pas les mêmes. D’ailleurs Jodelet (1991, p. 22) remarque que « dans la littérature scientifique, nous n’avons rencontré qu’un seul modèle situant la représentation hors de l’idéologie. Celui de F. Dumont (1974) récusant ____________* le recouvrement entre ces deux notions *__________, dans une approche pluraliste des idéologies qui les rapporte à l’action comme ‘pratiques de convergence’».
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I'm afraid I don't seem able to get my head round this passage. A literal translation simply doesn't sound right, but then, not being a social psychologist by profession...
I'd be very grateful for any ideas, preferably accompanied by an explanation, if poss! many thanks!
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I'm afraid I don't seem able to get my head round this passage. A literal translation simply doesn't sound right, but then, not being a social psychologist by profession...
I'd be very grateful for any ideas, preferably accompanied by an explanation, if poss! many thanks!
Proposed translations
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| 4 +3 | overlapping of the two notions |
kashew
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| 4 | the coincidence between these two notions |
Euqinimod (X)
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| 3 +1 | the converging or the common domain of these two notions |
Drmanu49
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Change log
Jun 4, 2008 11:06: Carol Gullidge changed "Field" from "Other" to "Social Sciences" , "Field (specific)" from "Wine / Oenology / Viticulture" to "Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc."
Proposed translations
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overlapping of the two notions
Drmanu seems to have it.
My "overlapping" or "common features" is strictly a layman's try.
[récusant = contesting, of course]
Must be a very difficult job!
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-04 11:48:01 GMT)
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Ta for message!
French and philosophy is one hell of a combination - "quasiment" impossible to fathom. That's what they want!
Pleased to have been of assistance
JH
My "overlapping" or "common features" is strictly a layman's try.
[récusant = contesting, of course]
Must be a very difficult job!
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Note added at 1 hr (2008-06-04 11:48:01 GMT)
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Ta for message!
French and philosophy is one hell of a combination - "quasiment" impossible to fathom. That's what they want!
Pleased to have been of assistance
JH
Note from asker:
| many thanks kashew, for the explanation - also the sympathy! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Melissa McMahon
: the only model placing representation outside ideology - Dupont's - challenges the overlap between the two notions
2 hrs
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| agree |
Anne Girardeau
7 hrs
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| agree |
Aude Sylvain
: agree - the 2 notions can be seen as identical (almost synonyms), or side-by-side (1 concept but clearly 2 sides). Dumont denies the fact that these 2 notions overlap or even partially overlap.
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks again! This was really helpful.
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2 hrs
the coincidence between these two notions
That is their agreement at various levels.
Note from asker:
| many thanks Euqinimod! This also seems feasible |
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4 mins
the converging or the common domain of these two notions
IMO
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Note added at 3 days8 hrs (2008-06-07 18:44:41 GMT) Post-grading
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You are quite welcome Carol.
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Note added at 3 days8 hrs (2008-06-07 18:44:41 GMT) Post-grading
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You are quite welcome Carol.
Note from asker:
| thanks Drmanu for such a speedy response! But I was hoping for a brief explanation, if such a thing exists! |
| thanks Drmanu! the meaning is here, but I didn't want to use Convergence twice. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
ormiston
: I think convergence is it in a nutshell but the term appears later
2 days 6 hrs
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Thank you.
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Discussion
This should be Social Psychology