Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
zone fongieuse
English translation:
boggy /marshy area
Added to glossary by
Nathalie Elson
Jul 1, 2007 14:01
17 yrs ago
French term
France
Chemist and Environmental Engineer
Native in: French 
, English
Works in: French to English, English to French, French, and 1 more.
zone fongieuse
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Geology
springs
The whole sentence :
Sur la rive droite, on note entre le chemin et le ruisseau ***une zone fongieuse*** consistant un glissement avec de la tourbe et du gravier de retrait qui a « flué » de la colline à la faveur des suintements d'eau qui sourdent dans les graviers à la surface de la moraine et visibles le long du chemin du Moulin.
I think it means wet, soft and unstable or something like that, but I can't find the proper word (if it exists!).
Any ideas?
Thanks
Sur la rive droite, on note entre le chemin et le ruisseau ***une zone fongieuse*** consistant un glissement avec de la tourbe et du gravier de retrait qui a « flué » de la colline à la faveur des suintements d'eau qui sourdent dans les graviers à la surface de la moraine et visibles le long du chemin du Moulin.
I think it means wet, soft and unstable or something like that, but I can't find the proper word (if it exists!).
Any ideas?
Thanks
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +2 | boggy area |
Alain Pommet
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| 4 +1 | typo for fangeuse = muddy /mucky / mud oozing |
Drmanu49
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| 4 | mushroom zone [or area] |
Claire Chapman
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| 3 | spongy area |
Francis MARC
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| 3 | spongy or marshy zone |
cchat
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Proposed translations
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9 mins
Selected
boggy area
Fongieux
Ancien Français synonyme de spongieux
http://mairie.haraucourt.free.fr/Un_peu_de_patois_Lorrain_Ro...
From the 18th century
Notamment celui allant sur la chaussée au dehors de Crepey sur la longueur d'environ une demie lieue lequel est si fongieux et marécageux que pendant cette campagne même, ils ont eu le malheur d'y voir périr une fille et trois chevaux. "
http://selaincourt.free.fr/Selaincourt/CH3.htm
Les étangs sont devenus un moyen de valorisation de terrains humides et « fongieux »,
http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/svt/eleve/cyber/Hermite/...
Ancien Français synonyme de spongieux
http://mairie.haraucourt.free.fr/Un_peu_de_patois_Lorrain_Ro...
From the 18th century
Notamment celui allant sur la chaussée au dehors de Crepey sur la longueur d'environ une demie lieue lequel est si fongieux et marécageux que pendant cette campagne même, ils ont eu le malheur d'y voir périr une fille et trois chevaux. "
http://selaincourt.free.fr/Selaincourt/CH3.htm
Les étangs sont devenus un moyen de valorisation de terrains humides et « fongieux »,
http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/svt/eleve/cyber/Hermite/...
Note from asker:
| For info, the document has been written in Switzerland. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Bourth (X)
: Though I doubt it would be used today, other than as a regionalism. Applicable if this concerns Lorraine or if the author is from there, maybe.
2 hrs
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Maybe used in Switzerland as well. I think the idea that it's a typo or is confused with a different word is just wishful thinking.
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| agree |
Richard Benham
: My view is that you should only assume a typo if there's no plausible aternative. So I'm voting or this (marginally) plausible alternative.
17 hrs
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Thanks Richard. You're obviously not a stick in the mud.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks! I hesitated between boggy and marshy, as I think both are right. But this answer fitted better in my document."
+1
7 mins
typo for fangeuse = muddy /mucky / mud oozing
zone fangeuse
Les sources se trouvent en zone de pessières sur tourbe. Le cours moyen est en grande partie forestier. Une belle zone fangeuse occupe la partie aval; ...
biodiversite.wallonie.be/cgi/sibw.sgib.form.pl?SGIBCODE=1557 - 21k -
Les sources se trouvent en zone de pessières sur tourbe. Le cours moyen est en grande partie forestier. Une belle zone fangeuse occupe la partie aval; ...
biodiversite.wallonie.be/cgi/sibw.sgib.form.pl?SGIBCODE=1557 - 21k -
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Bourth (X)
: My thinking also, though not 100% consistent with "gravier".//Interestingly, it would appear that "fange" is related to "fen" in English.
2 hrs
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6 mins
spongy area
should be "spongieuse"?
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Note added at 7 mins (2007-07-01 14:09:48 GMT)
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Peat: noun. Decaying vegetable matter found in uplands and bogs and used as a fuel (when dried) and as a fertiliser. Bog: noun 1. a wet spongy area of land. ...
www.fightingpigband.com/Pig Vine/pig_vine.htm - 113k -
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Note added at 7 mins (2007-07-01 14:09:48 GMT)
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Peat: noun. Decaying vegetable matter found in uplands and bogs and used as a fuel (when dried) and as a fertiliser. Bog: noun 1. a wet spongy area of land. ...
www.fightingpigband.com/Pig Vine/pig_vine.htm - 113k -
14 mins
spongy or marshy zone
I think this could be a misprint for "zone spongieuse".
8 hrs
Claire Chapman
Native in English
All things textile
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English, English to French, English
mushroom zone [or area]
Mushrooms are a type of fungus that grows in forest in the wetter parts of the forest.
Wikipédia – Mycota (Redirigé depuis Fonge)
Le règne des mycota, ou mycètes, n'est autre que celui des fungi, c'est-à-dire des champignons. La mycologie est la science qui les étudie. Environ 72 000 espèces de champignons ont été décrites à ce jour.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonge
fungous – adj : 1 of, relating or having the characteristics of fungi 2 : caused by a fungus 2 caused by a fungus (Webster’s)
Mycena News – The Mycological Society of San Francisco
because we live in this great mushroom area, every year they will come up and in ample quantities for all.
http://www.mssf.org/mnews/0403mn.pdf
Step 19. Herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, commercial fertilizers and lime
• New step (formerly part of Step 16);
• Instructions specifically exclude greenhouse or mushroom area;
• "Lime" is a new category.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/agcensus2006/faq22.htm
Table 8. Timber supply impacts (first decade and long term) of extended rotations in mushroom zone
relative to Base Case 2 (BC2) for each management unit and the HG/QCI LUP area
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/clad/strategic_land/econ_analysis/p...
Winema National Forest
Winema National Forest lands south of Hwy 138 and east of Crater Lake National Park are closed to commercial mushroom picking.
Of the four major West Coast metropolitan areas--Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles--only San Francisco has failed to dispatch a reporter to Central Oregon's matsutake mushroom zone this fall.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/winema/specialprojects/matsutake1997...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-07-01 23:01:52 GMT)
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Mushrooms are a type of fungus that grows in the wetter parts of the forest.
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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2007-07-02 18:50:51 GMT) Post-grading
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'Mushroom zone' might be too limited a term for the boggy area that is being described, 'Fungous zone' may be what was intended but is certainly not typical English. I'm not sure that 'fungal zone' has the same meaning for your context. Maybe 'zone (or area) of fungi growth' would do.
Peat moss is also a critical element for growing mushrooms; mycelium grows in compost with a layer of peat moss on top, through which the mushrooms come out, a process called pinning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_moss
Glowcap mushrooms grow everywhere in the marsh, you just have to know how to pick them from the ground without wrecking them.
Plenty of glowcaps around the Hewn Bog 30,35
http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=9808
Chapter 12: Fungi of the Lulu Island Bog
Mushrooms are large examples of such reproductive structures.
Black fungus in necrotic zones of Gaultheria leaves.
http://www.geog.ubc.ca/richmond/city/fungi.html
Some mushrooms develop in only one kind of habitat, such as a bog, a forest, or an open lawn or meadow. What they actually emerge from, such as peat, a log, or soil, is the mushrooms' substrate.
http://herbarium.usu.edu/fungi/FunFacts/Mush_hunt.htm
Trichoderma can not grow through bark and the fungal zone lines to attack the pathogen, if you remove the bark to treat the Armillaria, it is not the Trichoderma that achieves the results but drying out. Without the bark, Armillaria will not survive well.
http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletterfiles/Landscape_Notes...
There was no clear fungal zone (Fig. 15) as in Zamia, perhaps as a consequence of the low colonization.
http://www.ecologia.edu.mx/inecol2005/personal/vovidesa/Fish...
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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2007-07-02 21:39:04 GMT) Post-grading
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Not a problem :-) I didn't get the notice that the question was closed until I had posted the additional info. Thanks for the note. :-)
Wikipédia – Mycota (Redirigé depuis Fonge)
Le règne des mycota, ou mycètes, n'est autre que celui des fungi, c'est-à-dire des champignons. La mycologie est la science qui les étudie. Environ 72 000 espèces de champignons ont été décrites à ce jour.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonge
fungous – adj : 1 of, relating or having the characteristics of fungi 2 : caused by a fungus 2 caused by a fungus (Webster’s)
Mycena News – The Mycological Society of San Francisco
because we live in this great mushroom area, every year they will come up and in ample quantities for all.
http://www.mssf.org/mnews/0403mn.pdf
Step 19. Herbicides, insecticides, fungicides, commercial fertilizers and lime
• New step (formerly part of Step 16);
• Instructions specifically exclude greenhouse or mushroom area;
• "Lime" is a new category.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/agcensus2006/faq22.htm
Table 8. Timber supply impacts (first decade and long term) of extended rotations in mushroom zone
relative to Base Case 2 (BC2) for each management unit and the HG/QCI LUP area
http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/clad/strategic_land/econ_analysis/p...
Winema National Forest
Winema National Forest lands south of Hwy 138 and east of Crater Lake National Park are closed to commercial mushroom picking.
Of the four major West Coast metropolitan areas--Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles--only San Francisco has failed to dispatch a reporter to Central Oregon's matsutake mushroom zone this fall.
http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/winema/specialprojects/matsutake1997...
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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-07-01 23:01:52 GMT)
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Mushrooms are a type of fungus that grows in the wetter parts of the forest.
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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2007-07-02 18:50:51 GMT) Post-grading
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'Mushroom zone' might be too limited a term for the boggy area that is being described, 'Fungous zone' may be what was intended but is certainly not typical English. I'm not sure that 'fungal zone' has the same meaning for your context. Maybe 'zone (or area) of fungi growth' would do.
Peat moss is also a critical element for growing mushrooms; mycelium grows in compost with a layer of peat moss on top, through which the mushrooms come out, a process called pinning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat_moss
Glowcap mushrooms grow everywhere in the marsh, you just have to know how to pick them from the ground without wrecking them.
Plenty of glowcaps around the Hewn Bog 30,35
http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=9808
Chapter 12: Fungi of the Lulu Island Bog
Mushrooms are large examples of such reproductive structures.
Black fungus in necrotic zones of Gaultheria leaves.
http://www.geog.ubc.ca/richmond/city/fungi.html
Some mushrooms develop in only one kind of habitat, such as a bog, a forest, or an open lawn or meadow. What they actually emerge from, such as peat, a log, or soil, is the mushrooms' substrate.
http://herbarium.usu.edu/fungi/FunFacts/Mush_hunt.htm
Trichoderma can not grow through bark and the fungal zone lines to attack the pathogen, if you remove the bark to treat the Armillaria, it is not the Trichoderma that achieves the results but drying out. Without the bark, Armillaria will not survive well.
http://ceventura.ucdavis.edu/newsletterfiles/Landscape_Notes...
There was no clear fungal zone (Fig. 15) as in Zamia, perhaps as a consequence of the low colonization.
http://www.ecologia.edu.mx/inecol2005/personal/vovidesa/Fish...
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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2007-07-02 21:39:04 GMT) Post-grading
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Not a problem :-) I didn't get the notice that the question was closed until I had posted the additional info. Thanks for the note. :-)
Note from asker:
| Hi Claire, Thanks for all your info. I did wonder if it was a fungal zone, but as we were talking geology and water abstraction in the document, I decide it probably wasn't the case and more a description of the ground conditions. But thanks nevertheless!! |
Discussion
I found two links which confirmed both Alain and cchat's answers :
"Aulnaie(-frênaie) ripariale plus ou moins étroite et fongieuse à grands carex", carex étant une plante des marais.
"une espèce de piste fongieuse où, très vite, on regrette de ne pas avoir pris de chaussures de rechange."