Oct 12, 2006 10:56
17 yrs ago
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French term
dalle-jardin
French to English
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Architecture
Urban planning
La couverture est une dalle-jardin, plantée d’arbres fruitiers, traversée d’un canal de recueil des eaux.
Does anyone know what the term for dalle-jardin is?
The only reference I have come across that sounds similar is the Jardin Atlantique
http://www.insecula.com/salle/MS00999.html
It sounds like it should be "garden square" or some such.
Does anyone know what the term for dalle-jardin is?
The only reference I have come across that sounds similar is the Jardin Atlantique
http://www.insecula.com/salle/MS00999.html
It sounds like it should be "garden square" or some such.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | more comments | Bourth (X) |
4 +2 | roof garden or green roof | Janet Ross Snyder |
2 +3 | See comment below... | Tony M |
3 | garden tile/s | blavatsky |
1 -1 | slate tiled garden | Jonathan MacKerron |
Proposed translations
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more comments
Strictly speaking it is not a "couverture" which is sloped, but "étanchéité" (flat roofing). I can't see a garden on a pitched roof!
IMO "roof garden" conveys the message. Anyone who knows about these things will know it requires a concrete slab of suitable strength to support the depth of earth required, the water that earth can contain, the weight of the trees, etc.
I did a long translation earlier this year on flat roofs, and "toitures végétalisées" of different kinds took up a dozen pages. Some quotes:
Toiture végétalisée Eco-roof, turf roof, grass roof [Web], planted roof, green roof [Barbour91p472]; can be intensive (higher plants) or extensive (grasses; may be a brown roof), sedum roof
• Roof gardens: flat roofs covered with earth (at least 30 cm deep) and plants and shrubs (intensive green roofs). Zero fall is permitted; if the roof has walkways, the 1% fall required for water runoff can be obtained with the walkway material.
• Eco-roofs: flat roofs covered with earth (up to 10 cm deep) and grass or ground-cover plants (extensive green roofs). Falls can range from 0 to 25%.
Roof gardens and eco-roofs
• Roof gardens
Roof gardens generally receive foot traffic and look like traditional gardens.
They can be built only on concrete roof slabs. The depth of soil can vary from 0.30 to 1.00 m.
• Eco-roofs
Eco-roofs are not trafficable. Access is restricted to the purposes of maintenance of the waterproofing and plants.
Plants are chosen to require less maintenance and watering than roof gardens. They are hardy ground-cover plants (25 cm high at most) with low nutritional requirements that reproduce and spread well. Mixing several carefully selected varieties achieves a multicoloured effect that changes with the seasons.
The soil depth is small (3 to 20 cm) and therefore implies low imposed loads on the structure (115 to 135 kg/m²). Eco-roofs can therefore be built on concrete, steel or wooden loadbearing members.
• The special features of roof gardens and eco-roofs are as follows
(see illustrations overleaf).
A waterproofing system treated with a root-repellent; the product's data sheet should be consulted.
A drain layer conveying water to outlets and enabling roots to breathe; it consists of expanded clay aggregate, pozzolane, pebbles, gravel, or sheets of ribbed cellular polystyrene; it is between 6 and 10 cm thick.
A filter layer holding back fines of the topsoil to prevent them clogging the drainage layer; it must be watertight and rotproof, and resist tearing and punching (perforation); it usually consists of layers of rockwool or non-woven synthetics.
A layer of soil, between 3 and 20 cm deep for eco-roofs and 30 cm and 1 m deep for roof gardens.
There should be a sterile zone or edging about 40 cm wide around the perimeter of the roof to facilitate inspection of upstands, rainwater drainage, and the height of upstands.
This sterile zone must be separated from the eco-roof area by perforated metal strips or concrete or brick kerbs holding back the earth but allowing water to drain out.
IMO "roof garden" conveys the message. Anyone who knows about these things will know it requires a concrete slab of suitable strength to support the depth of earth required, the water that earth can contain, the weight of the trees, etc.
I did a long translation earlier this year on flat roofs, and "toitures végétalisées" of different kinds took up a dozen pages. Some quotes:
Toiture végétalisée Eco-roof, turf roof, grass roof [Web], planted roof, green roof [Barbour91p472]; can be intensive (higher plants) or extensive (grasses; may be a brown roof), sedum roof
• Roof gardens: flat roofs covered with earth (at least 30 cm deep) and plants and shrubs (intensive green roofs). Zero fall is permitted; if the roof has walkways, the 1% fall required for water runoff can be obtained with the walkway material.
• Eco-roofs: flat roofs covered with earth (up to 10 cm deep) and grass or ground-cover plants (extensive green roofs). Falls can range from 0 to 25%.
Roof gardens and eco-roofs
• Roof gardens
Roof gardens generally receive foot traffic and look like traditional gardens.
They can be built only on concrete roof slabs. The depth of soil can vary from 0.30 to 1.00 m.
• Eco-roofs
Eco-roofs are not trafficable. Access is restricted to the purposes of maintenance of the waterproofing and plants.
Plants are chosen to require less maintenance and watering than roof gardens. They are hardy ground-cover plants (25 cm high at most) with low nutritional requirements that reproduce and spread well. Mixing several carefully selected varieties achieves a multicoloured effect that changes with the seasons.
The soil depth is small (3 to 20 cm) and therefore implies low imposed loads on the structure (115 to 135 kg/m²). Eco-roofs can therefore be built on concrete, steel or wooden loadbearing members.
• The special features of roof gardens and eco-roofs are as follows
(see illustrations overleaf).
A waterproofing system treated with a root-repellent; the product's data sheet should be consulted.
A drain layer conveying water to outlets and enabling roots to breathe; it consists of expanded clay aggregate, pozzolane, pebbles, gravel, or sheets of ribbed cellular polystyrene; it is between 6 and 10 cm thick.
A filter layer holding back fines of the topsoil to prevent them clogging the drainage layer; it must be watertight and rotproof, and resist tearing and punching (perforation); it usually consists of layers of rockwool or non-woven synthetics.
A layer of soil, between 3 and 20 cm deep for eco-roofs and 30 cm and 1 m deep for roof gardens.
There should be a sterile zone or edging about 40 cm wide around the perimeter of the roof to facilitate inspection of upstands, rainwater drainage, and the height of upstands.
This sterile zone must be separated from the eco-roof area by perforated metal strips or concrete or brick kerbs holding back the earth but allowing water to drain out.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "You have all been really helpful, and the awful moment now comes when I have to choose someone's answer.
I really liked concrete deck garden, but it didn't work in the context since the area is really very large and I see a deck as being small (perhaps incorrectly so). I did find an article referring to this term.
In the end, Bourth's answer was what decided me, since it was so detailed. It is of course a roof garden.
Once again, thank you all for your help. I was not familiar with this concept even though I have translated other texts on roof gardens. "
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5 mins
slate tiled garden
a wild guess
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Note added at 18 mins (2006-10-12 11:15:02 GMT)
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"flagstone garden" gets over 10,000 googles
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Note added at 47 mins (2006-10-12 11:44:08 GMT)
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the important notion here is that visitor can walk through the garden on tiles, flagstones, walkways or whatever you want to call them
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Note added at 18 mins (2006-10-12 11:15:02 GMT)
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"flagstone garden" gets over 10,000 googles
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Note added at 47 mins (2006-10-12 11:44:08 GMT)
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the important notion here is that visitor can walk through the garden on tiles, flagstones, walkways or whatever you want to call them
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Tony M
: But it says it 'is' a 'dalle', not that it has paths made of them; and when did you last see 'dalle' meaning slate? And can you tile with slates? 'slate flags', yes... But I think this is 'dalle' as in 'floor slab', not 'flagstone'
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but it is indeed most likely a garden with slate tiles on which visitors walk
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11 mins
roof garden or green roof
It's becoming popular to use turf as a roofing material.
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Note added at 50 mins (2006-10-12 11:46:32 GMT)
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From the Petit Larousse:
Dalle (3) Grand espace réunissant des immeubles modernes à un niveau exhaussé, dit rez-de-dalle.
Couverture (2) Constr. Agencement de matériaux (tuiles, ardoises, etc.) recouvrant un bâtiment pour protéger des intemperies.
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Note added at 50 mins (2006-10-12 11:46:32 GMT)
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From the Petit Larousse:
Dalle (3) Grand espace réunissant des immeubles modernes à un niveau exhaussé, dit rez-de-dalle.
Couverture (2) Constr. Agencement de matériaux (tuiles, ardoises, etc.) recouvrant un bâtiment pour protéger des intemperies.
Note from asker:
That was my first thought, but like dusty the "dalle" bit bothered me. It is planted with trees, so must be structurally strong. I've translated a few texts about roof gardens and they have never been called "dalle-jardin". |
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Tony M
: Totally agree, as far as this goes... but I have this nagging feeling that one shouldn't simply leave out the 'dalle' bit...?
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Thanks, Dusty. Dalle also seems to have a meaning close to 'raised garden' all by itself, as referenced in my note.
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agree |
Bourth (X)
: Roof garden. Not green roof (see below)
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Thanks, Bourth
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13 mins
See comment below...
Miranda, I can't give you the actual term, but I think I can give you some sort of explanation which may help you find it.
I think you'll find that 'dalle' is being used here in the sense of 'a cast concrete floor slab' — i.e. this is not just some flimsy roof covering, it is a solid, non-nonsesne load-bearing poured concrete slab (so you can walk around up there, and of course, to take the weight of earth and plants etc.)
'rooftop garden built on a concrete slab' would be my interpretation of it, but rather unwieldy to use as a term in itself; though I'm not even sure if one exists?
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-10-12 12:46:11 GMT)
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Naturally, earth weighs a lot, which is why they put the even heavier trees in places where there are support pillars underneath, to take both the weight, and the strain of windage.
A 'real' planted garden with soil etc. couldn't possibly be supported on anything less than a concrete 'dalle' — otherwise, one would be limited to restricted numbers of planters dotted around wherever there was some support...
I think you'll find that 'dalle' is being used here in the sense of 'a cast concrete floor slab' — i.e. this is not just some flimsy roof covering, it is a solid, non-nonsesne load-bearing poured concrete slab (so you can walk around up there, and of course, to take the weight of earth and plants etc.)
'rooftop garden built on a concrete slab' would be my interpretation of it, but rather unwieldy to use as a term in itself; though I'm not even sure if one exists?
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-10-12 12:46:11 GMT)
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Naturally, earth weighs a lot, which is why they put the even heavier trees in places where there are support pillars underneath, to take both the weight, and the strain of windage.
A 'real' planted garden with soil etc. couldn't possibly be supported on anything less than a concrete 'dalle' — otherwise, one would be limited to restricted numbers of planters dotted around wherever there was some support...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Jeanette Phillips
28 mins
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Thanks, Jeanette!
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agree |
CMJ_Trans (X)
: why not a concrete DECK?
2 hrs
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Thanks, CMJ! Oh yes, indeed that's perfect, you ought to post it as an answer.
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agree |
Bourth (X)
: See more below
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Thanks, Alex! Only waiting for you to come along...
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21 days
garden tile/s
Could this be a translation ?:-
The covering has garden-tiles, planted fruit trees, crossed by a channel of re-circulated water.
The covering has garden-tiles, planted fruit trees, crossed by a channel of re-circulated water.
Discussion
depuis 1994. Les concepteurs ont réussi à surmonter
les contraintes techniques d'un jardin sur dalle :
les allées et les pelouses recouvrent les zones
de moindre résistance et les arbres sont à la verticale
des poteaux qui soutiennent la dalle.
It's got to be some sort of slab.
http://www.patrimoine-de-france.org/mots-archi-0-281.html
Le jardin sur dalle du Centre Commercial fait appel aux essences telles que bambous, pommiers ornementaux, magnolias, prunus - et s’étend sur 4000 m2 – telle une respiration verte dans le bâti. Poteries de terre cuite, pierres de schiste rouge agrémentent ces jardins suspendus.