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Two objections regarding TM-Town related advertising
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Gerard de Noord
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I object too and would like some answers from Proz staff Jun 15, 2016

I find it especially sad that the ProZ Force visitor view option is unreliable.

 
John Fossey
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The term "Certified Professional Translator" for non-members is illegal in Canada Jun 15, 2016

Tom in London wrote:

2. I agree that the description "A CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRANSLATOR"is misleading and may well be illegal, certainly here in the UK.


It's certainly illegal to use the term "certified professional translator" in Canada unless you are a member of the translators' association.

From the law in Ontario: "Any person in Ontario who, not being registered as a certified member of the Association, takes or uses the designation "Certified Translator", ... either alone or in combination with any other word, name, title or description ... is guilty of an offence."

[Edited at 2016-06-15 20:09 GMT]


 
Michael Beijer
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the other perspective Jun 15, 2016

I suspect that most people here will not really appreciate this view, but consider for a moment that most people in this thread who agree with writeaway's two points will most likely not be on TM-Town. Possibly because they haven't had time to look into it yet, but most likely because they hate it with a passion. However, what about Proz users who are on TM-Town? What do you think they would prefer (if asked)? Indeed, these people would probably not mind so much if a new link that might l... See more
I suspect that most people here will not really appreciate this view, but consider for a moment that most people in this thread who agree with writeaway's two points will most likely not be on TM-Town. Possibly because they haven't had time to look into it yet, but most likely because they hate it with a passion. However, what about Proz users who are on TM-Town? What do you think they would prefer (if asked)? Indeed, these people would probably not mind so much if a new link that might lead to their TM-Town profile were placed here and there on the Proz.com site.

**Full disclosure:** I myself rank quite high in both the KudoZ Arena and on TM-Town, so I suppose that's also why I don't really mind one way or another.

Michael
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Henry Dotterer
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Will look into profile text Jun 15, 2016

Hi folks,

Thanks. I'll look into the matter of the text appearing in the profile.

Henry


 
Sheila Wilson
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That message is quite unbelievable! Jun 15, 2016

Jo Macdonald wrote:
If you search for a translator here on Proz, after you get the results for a certain specialization a box is shown in the top left corner above the search results.
It says
New Search Option: Get matched to the best experts for your job with Nakōdo
It's a hyperlink that opens the Nakodo search engine on TM-Town.


Imo whether Nakodo works just as well still has to be proved and until this is proven I would prefer to see the two systems kept separate rather than encouraging clients who are searching for a Pro on Proz to use Nakodo to find someone who has uploaded a load of TM data.

Can you remove that Nakodo link from the Proz "Translators" search page please?

May be unrealistic to request its complete removal, IMHO. But surely its wording is tantamount to telling our potential clients that only the dross will be found here, while the real experts hang out at TM-Town. Thanks ProZ.com - great value for my ProZ.com subscription and participation!

In fact, nothing is further from the truth. Not that some experts aren't to be found there, I wouldn't know - but the Nakodo search engine won't find them as a result of their expertise. It will find them on the basis of volume and machine-matching of keywords. That doesn't denote expertise.

A note to Michael: Do you know if clients searching on TM-Town get a similar message saying the experts can be found on the ProZ.com site?


 
Jo Macdonald
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I'm on both sites Jun 15, 2016

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:

However, what about Proz users who are on TM-Town? What do you think they would prefer (if asked)? Indeed, these people would probably not mind so much if a new link that might lead to their TM-Town profile were placed here and there on the Proz.com site.


Michael


Hi Micheal,
I'm on both sites and would prefer potential clients looking for translators on Proz to see Translator search results of paying Proz members who are top-ranked kudoz contributors in that field displayed without a link encouraging them to look for someone else on Tm_Town.



[Edited at 2016-06-15 15:49 GMT]


 
Michael Beijer
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Not that I know of. Jun 15, 2016

Sheila Wilson wrote:

Jo Macdonald wrote:
If you search for a translator here on Proz, after you get the results for a certain specialization a box is shown in the top left corner above the search results.
It says
New Search Option: Get matched to the best experts for your job with Nakōdo
It's a hyperlink that opens the Nakodo search engine on TM-Town.


Imo whether Nakodo works just as well still has to be proved and until this is proven I would prefer to see the two systems kept separate rather than encouraging clients who are searching for a Pro on Proz to use Nakodo to find someone who has uploaded a load of TM data.

Can you remove that Nakodo link from the Proz "Translators" search page please?

May be unrealistic to request its complete removal, IMHO. But surely its wording is tantamount to telling our potential clients that only the dross will be found here, while the real experts hang out at TM-Town. Thanks ProZ.com - great value for my ProZ.com subscription and participation!

In fact, nothing is further from the truth. Not that some experts aren't to be found there, I wouldn't know - but the Nakodo search engine won't find them as a result of their expertise. It will find them on the basis of volume and machine-matching of keywords. That doesn't denote expertise.

A note to Michael: Do you know if clients searching on TM-Town get a similar message saying the experts can be found on the ProZ.com site?


Hi Sheila,

Not that I know of. All I found so far is "© 2016 TM-Town. Patent Pending. TM-Town is owned and operated by ProZ.com -- serving freelance translators since 1999.", at the bottom of each TM-Town page. No other links to Proz.com that I can see. However, keep in mind that this is a very recent acquisition. I expect all kinds of things will be changing in the near future, so I wouldn't worry all too much about the occasional glitch or oversight. Also, I don't really know either of them personally, but I don't think that either Henry or Kevin are out to get us in any sinister way. I think they're just trying to integrate the two sites in ways that might benefit us users.

Michael


 
Michael Beijer
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Hmm, you might have a point there. Jun 15, 2016

Jo Macdonald wrote:

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:

However, what about Proz users who are on TM-Town? What do you think they would prefer (if asked)? Indeed, these people would probably not mind so much if a new link that might lead to their TM-Town profile were placed here and there on the Proz.com site.


Michael


Hi Micheal,
I'm on both sites and would prefer potential clients looking for translators on Proz to see Translator search results of paying Proz members who are top-ranked kudoz contributors in that field displayed without a link encouraging them to look for someone else on Tm_Town.



[Edited at 2016-06-15 15:31 GMT]


Yes, you might have a point there. I mean, I've actually put quite a lot of work into KudoZ over the years, precisely because it greatly boosts my ranking. Hmm. I'm also ranked quite high over on TM-Town, but if I had to choose, I'd prefer to have clients find me over on this side, as it's where I spend most of my time.

Michael


 
Sheila Wilson
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@ Michael Jun 15, 2016

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:
I don't really know either of them personally, but I don't think that either Henry or Kevin are out to get us in any sinister way. I think they're just trying to integrate the two sites in ways that might benefit us users.

I don't have any reason to suspect either of them of doing that either. But as paying members of this site we have a right and a duty to protect the position we've paid for. And having potential clients told to go elsewhere is not what I paid for!


 
Tom in London
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Thanks - Jun 15, 2016

Henry Dotterer wrote:

Hi folks,

Thanks. I'll look into the matter of the text appearing in the profile.

Henry


Thanks Henry - I'm sure many of us here will look forward to its removal.


 
Mirko Mainardi
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Me too Jun 15, 2016

Jo Macdonald wrote:

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:

However, what about Proz users who are on TM-Town? What do you think they would prefer (if asked)? Indeed, these people would probably not mind so much if a new link that might lead to their TM-Town profile were placed here and there on the Proz.com site.


Michael


Hi Micheal,
I'm on both sites and would prefer potential clients looking for translators on Proz to see Translator search results of paying Proz members who are top-ranked kudoz contributors in that field displayed without a link encouraging them to look for someone else on Tm_Town.


Me too, on both accounts.


On a different note, why is this thread not showing up anymore on the "Most Recent Posts" page? ( http://www.proz.com/forum/categories/recent-recent.html )

[Modificato alle 2016-06-15 15:48 GMT]


 
Mirko Mainardi
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Integration... Jun 15, 2016

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:
I think they're just trying to integrate the two sites in ways that might benefit us users.


That's the magic word. "Integration".

However, two different websites, two separate (and basically competing...) directories and two alternative (paid) memberships don't seem to go exactly in that direction, IMHO...


 
Michael Beijer
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magic integration Jun 15, 2016

Mirko Mainardi wrote:

Michael J.W. Beijer wrote:
I think they're just trying to integrate the two sites in ways that might benefit us users.


That's the magic word. "Integration".

However, two different websites, two separate (and basically competing...) directories and two alternative (paid) memberships don't seem to go exactly in that direction, IMHO...


We shall see

(I definitely don't envy their task.)

Michael


 
writeaway
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Thanks Henry Jun 16, 2016

I too hope you will decide to either remove the link to TM-Town or give us the option to have it removed. I also hope the wording regarding the P-holder certification claim on TM-Town will be changed to make it more accurate and clearly indicate that the 'certification' stems from and is tied to Proz.com.
I must say I am a bit surprised and disappointed to see that this posting has been removed from the 'recent forum posts' pages and is now completely out of sight.


 
Tom in London
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Strange... Jun 16, 2016

writeaway wrote:

I too hope you will decide to either remove the link to TM-Town or give us the option to have it removed. I also hope the wording regarding the P-holder certification claim on TM-Town will be changed to make it more accurate and clearly indicate that the 'certification' stems from and is tied to Proz.com.
I must say I am a bit surprised and disappointed to see that this posting has been removed from the 'recent forum posts' pages and is now completely out of sight.


That's strange! I posted this to see if the topic bumps up to the top of the list of forums, as it should. But it didn't. Why?

[Edited at 2016-06-16 12:13 GMT]


 
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