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| Tonight's time-waisting/Dummy website | Apr 7, 2010 |
I located one of those "free website" websites (the kind where they put awful advertisement banners on your website unless you pay them) to see if a simple format allowing for entries might be possible.
The one I used for this experiment is called "webs.com". They offer templates tailored for "groups, associations, etc.", and it appears that you can add a member area, and in turn members can add content (I think - this would be crucial, of course).
So I created a brief ... See more I located one of those "free website" websites (the kind where they put awful advertisement banners on your website unless you pay them) to see if a simple format allowing for entries might be possible.
The one I used for this experiment is called "webs.com". They offer templates tailored for "groups, associations, etc.", and it appears that you can add a member area, and in turn members can add content (I think - this would be crucial, of course).
So I created a brief dummy site, and some of the pages have a little bit of dummy information. As stated, I'm not very experienced with this sort of thing, this was mostly an attempt to find out how this could be done and what it might look like.
You will find the site at: www.transrates.webs.com
Comments are welcome, but please keep in mind this was just an experiment and I may not maintain this site/idea... Although if someone out there is truly motivated, we might talk about collaborating or just passing the reins over.
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| | | | apk12 
Germany
Local time: 21:54
English to German
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| Quite interesting | Apr 8, 2010 |
...quite interesting "time-wasting" result with the aim to avoid future "time-waisting", I'd say. Congrats.
Really looks interesting. We could keep both links going. One for the categories 1-3 ("MT Premium" up to "Pure Trash") for active guerilla gardening talents and one for overall information.
Quite in time, in general. Actually, these would be - as soon as enough translators have signed in and contributed their informations - page traffic which was supposed to be ... See more ...quite interesting "time-wasting" result with the aim to avoid future "time-waisting", I'd say. Congrats.
Really looks interesting. We could keep both links going. One for the categories 1-3 ("MT Premium" up to "Pure Trash") for active guerilla gardening talents and one for overall information.
Quite in time, in general. Actually, these would be - as soon as enough translators have signed in and contributed their informations - page traffic which was supposed to be traffic on proz page (see radovans idea to rate the agencie's rates).
As long as we don't have such a solution here, transrate could be a perfect alternative, then. Well, ok, just a linked one - but for us this shouldn't make such a huge difference. I mean, proz must know which traffic they would prefer to keep on their network page and which they wish to go on to free areas to help translators find informations they miss here.
To put it in short: the guerilla gardening page seems to be something like an alternative to the comments option as proposed not long ago by translators here in the forum and demanded 1) to inquire further information about interesting projects and also 2) in order at least to get discount rate jobs commented. Of course - a comment option below proz discount jobs would have required just a little place for a tiny text line like "Do you want ketchup with it?" On the guerilla page, it will be focused on these trash cases only and it will obviously have a bit more place. The comments could develop to larger and different ones there.
Since after changements the discount problem will be not out of the world as a translator mentioned here:
http://translationandethics.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-2-prozcom-changes-and-why-im-not.html
...since this is expected to be still a problem on proz2010 and proz2011, the guerilla gardening page probably will be needed and will need further contributions.
On the other hand, Radovan did not get an answer from site staff about his proposal, as far as I know (the 2nd proposal ignored so far, the idea to let translators rate the rate power quality and professionalism of the agencies) , so this traffic also will have to find it's page to be collected there. The need is there, solutions are needed, too. it's up to proz to decide if they wish this trafic in 2010 or 2011 be their own traffic or not, I think.
What would you say, Janet?
ps.: There's only a small little "but" I'd have to mention about transrates. Higher demand of time to see informations - but this is ok. Translators wish to know some details also above trash quality level, so why not letting them sign in. 2nd: less possibilities to contribute. On the guerilla gardening page http://justanotherrubbishtranslationsprovider.wordpress.com/ - you just have to enter your name which doesn't have to be the name of the contributor and a mail address which does not have to be the real one if a contributor wishes to contribute anonomously (both can be, as far as I know, the real ones if the translator is not that shy). That's all, after this the contribution is done. Transrates, as far as I have seen - is totally depending on the availability of the site owner. Content contribution of signed in translators seems to be impossible so far.
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| | | | | At a loss for words (as well as time) | Apr 8, 2010 |
Thank you for your comments, APK12.
Um, I really don't have anything else to say at the moment. I made a suggestion, a few people agreed it might be interesting, and I experimented (very very basically) with one possible solution.
I will leave the site up for now (www.transrates.webs.com) just to see if anyone else wants to look and comment, but I am not editing/managing/finalizin... See more Thank you for your comments, APK12.
Um, I really don't have anything else to say at the moment. I made a suggestion, a few people agreed it might be interesting, and I experimented (very very basically) with one possible solution.
I will leave the site up for now (www.transrates.webs.com) just to see if anyone else wants to look and comment, but I am not editing/managing/finalizing it any time soon.
- It is a DUMMY site only at this point -
Regards,
Janet
PS: I see that you signed up as a member. I have no idea what you can now see or do with the site (although apparently I can assign different "member permissions"). Perhaps if other people get interested, we can play around with this feature and see what it does, but as stated, right now I don't have the time.
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| | | | apk12
Germany
Local time: 21:54
English to German
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| Time loss and gain | Apr 8, 2010 |
...yes, but why not letting the translators and the time decide if they wish to let it behind as a pure dummy not worth yet a 2nd look or if to develop it to a sub network page.
see above:
"Transrates, as far as I have seen - is totally depending on the availability of the site owner. Content contribution of signed in translators seems to be impossible so far."
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apk12 wrote:
There's only a small little "but"... Higher demand of time to see informations
2nd: less possibilities to contribute. ... Transrates, as far as I have seen - is totally depending on the availability of the site owner. Content contribution of signed in translators seems to be impossible so far.
As to your first point, I'm not sure I understand. The intention behind the site is that it will be very easy and quick to use. Go to menu, click on category, scroll. Finished. As long as it can be set up in alphabetical order, I don't see why this takes any significant amount of time(?).
As to the second point, I have no idea how content can be contributed - as I said, I don't have a lot of time to try it out right now.
But it might be as simple as vetting members (optional but advisable) and modifying those "member permissions" I mentioned.
I think that is just as well, because otherwise
a) The site could potentially be spammed left, right, and center
b) Whoever is running the site might potentially be vulernable from a legal standpoint if content were not monitored and libelous statements were made.
but why not letting the translators and the time decide if they wish to let it behind as a pure dummy
Again, I'm not sure I understand. I never said it would remain a DUMMY forever and ever - at this point I have no idea what will happen with it, I simply don't have time to "play" with it right now. And there is no need to make any decisions right at the moment since no one else has commented on it so far.
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| | | | apk12
Germany
Local time: 21:54
English to German
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Janet Rubin wrote:
apk12 wrote:
There's only a small little "but"... Higher demand of time to see informations...
As to your first point, I'm not sure I understand. The intention behind the site is that it will be very easy and quick to use. Go to menu, click on category, scroll. Finished. As long as it can be set up in alphabetical order, I don't see why this takes any significant amount of time(?).
alright, my mistake, sry. the sign in option sprang into my eye as an option you have to choose in order to even scroll the site/its content. yes, of course, its content is visible without signing in, so sorry for my misunderstanding here.
Janet Rubin wrote:
As to the second point, I have no idea how content can be contributed - as I said, I don't have a lot of time to try it out right now. But it might be as simple as vetting members (optional but advisable) and modifying those "member permissions" I mentioned. I think that is just as well, because otherwise
a) The site could potentially be spammed left, right, and center b) Whoever is running the site might potentially be vulernable from a legal standpoint if content were not monitored and libelous statements were made.
yes, but this is the point where a blog format has some advantages - the admins there can lean back a bit and let some if this work be done by the spam filter. but there is an upfront easy possibility to contribute, in general. on transrates right now there is no option to add content - this would for sure have to be opted by the site admin, the 'member permissions' you mentioned.
Janet Rubin wrote:
but why not letting the translators and the time decide if they wish to let it behind as a pure dummy
Again, I'm not sure I understand. I never said it would remain a DUMMY forever and ever - at this point I have no idea what will happen with it, I simply don't have time to "play" with it right now. And there is no need to make any decisions right at the moment since no one else has commented on it so far.
yes, there is always a need to make some 'advertisement' for 'professional spare time relaxing networking activities' of whatever kind.
so - dear forum readers, translators... - now it's your turn!
http://transrates.webs.com/
http://justanotherrubbishtranslationsprovider.wordpress.com/
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| | | | Brian Young
United States
Local time: 12:54
Danish to English
| thyme waesten | Apr 8, 2010 |
it iz veree nis with this siet sew meny peepole hue haev tue much tiem kan kum her tue waest sum uv it. meny peepole dount hav enuf tiem, sew mabee sum uv thu tiem waestud her kan bee usd bye them, an then uthur peepole kan get rid uv tiem thae doent neid no mour, an then evurbudee kan bee hapee, an wye trahnslait enythin enymour wen wee kan bee her awl thu tiem saeing reely smahrt things thaet nobudee kan understan enehoue
| | | | apk12
Germany
Local time: 21:54
English to German
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Brian Young wrote: it iz veree nis with this siet sew meny peepole hue haev tue much tiem kan kum her tue waest sum uv it.
ah, oui, dear brian. som off as priför to wejst sum of it in order not to wejst too much enertschi for dummping jobb doinng.
meny peepole dount hav enuf tiem
and suun no one wil hef ani of it animor. yu si - if yu today let weeds grow to 0.03, tomorow to 0.02 as a tüpical discount ofer not worth spendin a minut to say 'uh wait, what?', next jär it wil be 0.01 and hou mutsch tim wil yu hav thän?
an then evurbudee kan bee hapee
sure.
I still believe some forum visitors are aware of what this here is about. but thanks a lot, brian, a funny nice comment.
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