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Jun 13, 2013 20:35
11 yrs ago
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Swedish term

sluten adress

Swedish to English Art/Literary General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
A closed address? Secret address? Secure address? What precisely is this?

"UD:s fyra byggnader i regeringskvarteren var slutna adresser."
Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 undisclosed locations (secret addresses)
3 +1 Restricted offices/buildings
4 unlisted addresses
4 -1 closed address
3 -2 final address/destination

Discussion

Charlesp Jun 17, 2013:
Undisclosed locations Undisclosed locations. or undisclosed addresses, are not necessarily secret. There are photographs of them in the newspapers. But no confirmation is given (until perhaps some writes a memouir and confesses that their "undisclosed location" meant that they were at home).

As for the Pentagon refernce, its offices are undisclosed locations. The addresses (or room numbers) are not public -- even if you can find them on some Internet website.

And with the Pentagon, yea, fair comment. But you don't really know in what room they do what in the Pentagon. Have you ever taken the public tour?
Lene Johansen Jun 13, 2013:
Sluten means closed Just a guess here, but could this indicate that these buildings where not accessible to the public?

Proposed translations

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2 hrs

Restricted offices/buildings

These are off-limits types of places right?

Try http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/24/usa.science
Peer comment(s):
agree Charlesp : Yes, but in this context, I think more than simply restricted. I mean, Rosenbad is restricted, but hardly a sluten adress. (Though if you asked anyone, including the police, where the "Rose bath" was, I don't think they would tell you.
2 days 17 hrs
And everyone knows where the Pentagon is, too! I do like 'undisclosed'. My logical problem is with the Swe text, that as soon as you disclose you have these addresses, anyone interested starts looking for where they are. Tough to translate!
neutral Anna Herbst : A restricted office does not need to have a "closed" or secret address.
3 days 2 hrs
Agree to this objection, but my logical problem is the Swe, as soon as you disclose you have these addresses, those interested start looking for where they are. One thing in wartime is not necessarily the same in peace time. So my generic suggestion!
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-1
7 hrs

closed address

A "closed" address is not made public for security reasons.
Example sentence:

...the aim of the "closed" address was to prevent the location /.../ from becoming known.

Reference:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=GXLFo4_2PC8C&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=%22closed+address%22&source=bl&ots=cRl7QSgOam&sig=60lpeQI6q0gv8wEyIMagq

Peer comment(s):
disagree Charlesp : I really don't think that "closed" would be understood, even it is literally is what the word means. /// That was long ago, and even after reconsidering this, I have to ask, would "closed care" (a simular litteral translation) really be understood.
2 days 12 hrs
Please take a closer look at the reference. This concept was used during the war.//The text appears to be about the WW2 era, and, NB the difference in meaning of "sluten" in "sluten vård". Better to compare "sluten överläggning" = "closed deliberations".
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+1
2 days 20 hrs

undisclosed locations (secret addresses)

Considering that Google produces exactly one hit for slutna adresser</s>, I am thinking that this is a very closely held secret - even the term.

I would say "black addresses," although that very well is a possibilty. But I think these are secret addresses, i.e. "undisclosed locations."
Peer comment(s):
neutral Anna Herbst : Just another way of explaining what I said in my answer. However, "black address" means nothing to me.
9 hrs
"black address" isn't supposed to mean anything to you - it is a secret. (actually it is called something simular to "black address" -- but I didn't want to make this page a target for survelance, (if you know what I mean.)
agree Deane Goltermann : Will agree here, with the reservations I explained in my response above. 'Black' sounds cool, too!
17 hrs
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3 days 1 hr

final address/destination

Another possibility.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Anna Herbst : Meaning of term misunderstood.
3 hrs
disagree Charlesp : Sorry, but I don't think so; not in this context.
10 hrs
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37 days

unlisted addresses

The bit of context your provided seems to indicate that the physical location of these buildings ARE known, but the addresses are just unlisted? They're not secret buildings in the immediate sense that you think of when you hear the word secret, they just don't have mailing addresses. I could be wrong

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