Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
кавказец
English translation:
man from the Caucasus
Added to glossary by
Robert Donahue (X)
Apr 29, 2005 14:22
19 yrs ago
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Russian term
кавказец
Russian to English
Art/Literary
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
В смысле выходца с Кавказа. Как это перевести, чтобы не путалось с Caucasian в смысле просто европейца?
Контекстная фраза:
скинхеды с особой жестокостью избивали кавказцев
Кстати, затрудняюсь в классификации этого вопроса, если будут идеи, куда его отнести - действуйте! И заранее спасибо!
Контекстная фраза:
скинхеды с особой жестокостью избивали кавказцев
Кстати, затрудняюсь в классификации этого вопроса, если будут идеи, куда его отнести - действуйте! И заранее спасибо!
Proposed translations
(English)
2 +9 | man from the Caucasus | Robert Donahue (X) |
4 +7 | I don't think the use of Caucasians would be too confusing. | Jack slep |
3 +5 | Caucasus ethnic persons | Larissa Dinsley |
4 +3 | people of the Caucusus region | Mihailolja |
4 +3 | Caucasian | GaryG |
4 +2 | people from Caucasis | Irene N |
3 +2 | a man from the Caucasian region | Andrey Belousov (X) |
3 +2 | transcaucasians | mk_lab |
5 -1 | People from Caucasia | R. E. M |
3 -2 | "mountain people" | Mikhail Kropotov |
Change log
Apr 29, 2005 17:45: Kirill Semenov changed "Field" from "Social Sciences" to "Art/Literary" , "Field (specific)" from "Other" to "Anthropology"
Apr 29, 2005 20:31: Natalie changed "Field (specific)" from "Anthropology" to "Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc."
Proposed translations
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Russian term (edited):
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man from the Caucasus
I am not sure if there is a single word that conveys this Natalie. Best of luck!
... An agile young man from the Caucasus has wrapped his knee around an enchanting ... The man from the Caucasus slides on the soles of his pointed shoes, ...
... Once there was a party at my girl-friend's house who recently got married to a man from the Caucasus. He was bright but hot tempered and patriarchally ...
... Just days after Kurshida's murder, a man from the Caucasus was beaten to death in a St. Petersburg railway station. In the same month, a Jewish cemetery ...
... follows the fortunes of Merlin Prester Beg, a young and inquisitive man from the Caucasus, as he explores what he calls the 'great mystery of the West'. ...
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Levan, you are both right and wrong. YOU understand the term perfectly well. The point is how to translate кавказец so that it\'s understood by all. The meaning of the word \"Caucasian\" is too easily confused. White people in the US put \"Caucasian\" down as their race. Reading this sentence, the average white guy in Mud Lick, Alabama is going to scratch his head in wonder over why skinheads are attacking white people. The point here is not точность а понятность.
... An agile young man from the Caucasus has wrapped his knee around an enchanting ... The man from the Caucasus slides on the soles of his pointed shoes, ...
... Once there was a party at my girl-friend's house who recently got married to a man from the Caucasus. He was bright but hot tempered and patriarchally ...
... Just days after Kurshida's murder, a man from the Caucasus was beaten to death in a St. Petersburg railway station. In the same month, a Jewish cemetery ...
... follows the fortunes of Merlin Prester Beg, a young and inquisitive man from the Caucasus, as he explores what he calls the 'great mystery of the West'. ...
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Levan, you are both right and wrong. YOU understand the term perfectly well. The point is how to translate кавказец so that it\'s understood by all. The meaning of the word \"Caucasian\" is too easily confused. White people in the US put \"Caucasian\" down as their race. Reading this sentence, the average white guy in Mud Lick, Alabama is going to scratch his head in wonder over why skinheads are attacking white people. The point here is not точность а понятность.
Peer comment(s):
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Mihailolja
13 mins
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Thank you Mihailolja
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Marina Davidenko
24 mins
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Thank you Marina
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Inna Sabia
2 hrs
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Thank you Inna
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agree |
Svetlana Chekunova
3 hrs
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Thank you Svetlana
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agree |
Angeliki Kotsidou (X)
4 hrs
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Thank you Angeliki
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Levan Namoradze
: Caucasian+Robert, I see. However, in 'your' meaning the 'Caucasian Race' is used. And 'simply' 'Caucasian' means right 'кавказец'.
5 hrs
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Not enough room to comment here. Please see my posted response.
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Anneta Vysotskaya
5 hrs
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Thank you Anneta
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agree |
Dorene Cornwell
10 hrs
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Thank you Dorene
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Larissa Dinsley
19 hrs
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Thank you Larissa
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sergey (X)
1 day 23 mins
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Thank you Sergey
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to everybody who participated in the discussion! I choosed not to add any words absent in the original (I mean the word "ethnic").
Документ сам по себе написан очень простым языком (и изобилует орфографическими ошибками), это заявление человека о предоставлении политического убежища в США (с достаточно подробным изложением причин этого обращения). Так что Роберт совершенно прав: все должно быть предельно понятно для тех, кто будет это заявление читать.
Еще раз огромное спасибо всем! "
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3 mins
Russian term (edited):
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people from Caucasis
I guess
Peer comment(s):
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Sara Noss
: from the Caucasus
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Точно. Зарапортовалась. Спасибо!
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Levan Namoradze
: Caucasian
5 hrs
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agree |
Larissa Dinsley
19 hrs
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3 mins
Russian term (edited):
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a man from the Caucasian region
I think
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In your text > people from the Caucasian region/of the Caucasian origin
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Note added at 5 mins (2005-04-29 14:27:42 GMT)
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In your text > people from the Caucasian region/of the Caucasian origin
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Robert Donahue (X)
1 hr
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Thanks!
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agree |
Angeliki Kotsidou (X)
4 hrs
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Thanks!
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neutral |
Levan Namoradze
: Caucasian
5 hrs
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6 mins
Russian term (edited):
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"mountain people"
"mountain people" (from the Caucasus - по желанию)
Peer comment(s):
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Kirill Semenov
: heh, "a highlander" ;-)
3 hrs
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Мне кажется, это здесь главнее. Дать понять, как к нам относятся в реальном сегодняшнем обществе, а не как мы классифицированы в книжке по антропологии.
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Levan Namoradze
: Миша, нет, просто "кавказцев" без разбору, как водится... Caucasian
5 hrs
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Кхм, я не понял мысли. С радостью соглашусь, если пойму.
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R. E. M
: What "The Caucasus" is, is a large region between the Black and the Caspian sea. There certainly is a mnt. range there, but there is no compelling evidence that someone they beat up was specifically from that mnt. range in Caucasia.
9 hrs
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Thanx. Okay, but that is not relevant to the way the expression might be perceived by the readers. See Dorene's comment. And btw, I'm of Caucasian origin - I am aware of the geography and some of the history :)
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Dorene Cornwell
: all kinds of wrong connotations and possible misunderstandings of this in Englsih
10 hrs
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Okay, thank you.
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sergey (X)
: agree with dorene, besides some areas there are not that mountainous anyway
1 day 6 mins
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Yes, this is too slangy. Thanks Sergey
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8 mins
Russian term (edited):
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people of the Caucusus region
;-)
Peer comment(s):
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Sara Noss
: also good, but 'Caucasus'. :)
4 mins
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Oops, keyboard slipped! thanks......
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Angeliki Kotsidou (X)
4 hrs
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Efharisto Angeliki
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Levan Namoradze
: Caucasian
5 hrs
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ah! keyboard!
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Mrs Shell
: I agree but word was misspelled "Caucasus", as was mentioned above.
8 hrs
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25 mins
Caucasian
It's the same word, and it will be clear from context that one is not talking about "white people".
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http://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/Russia3.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~jimmasters3/geographical-dictiona...
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http://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/Russia3.htm
http://members.tripod.com/~jimmasters3/geographical-dictiona...
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Donahue (X)
: I don't know Gary. This really depends on the audience being written for don't you agree? If it were for the people responding here today then of course there would be no need for further clarification. However, if you're writing for a general audience...
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But I don't see how one could confuse this with the racial category given any context
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Levan Namoradze
: No Robert. This is not from Anthropology, since skinheads do not use fight with a 'white man' i.e. a 'caucasian' i.e a Indo-European. They just fight with Caucasians i.e. men from Caucasus.
5 hrs
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agree |
Kirill Semenov
5 hrs
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agree |
Shane London
8 hrs
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neutral |
sergey (X)
: rather confusing
23 hrs
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37 mins
Caucasus ethnic persons
TAKAS - English
... a «Caucasus ethnic person» sitting in front of him, what’s more, it was a
Muslim who just came «from down there». From the world that he never ...
www.takas.lt/english/forum/ viewtopic.php?topic=122&forum=6&12 - 48k - Cached - Similar pages
::KAVKAZ CENTER::news::facts::analysis
... But there was a face of a «Caucasus ethnic person» sitting in front of him,
what’s more, it was a Muslim who just came «from down there». ...
www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2075 - 42k - Supplemental Result
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How about \"Caucasus natives\"? Some good references here:
Welcome to Ccharm >> Helping the children of Chechnya
... it be in film, books or the theater -- and Caucasus natives today fit this
... thought all Caucasus natives were artistic, charming and sexy and from ...
www.ccharm.org/news/article54.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Review of Tombstone of Russian Power
... early eighteenth century the Cossacks there were still independent and probably
numbered less than the North Caucasus natives in Russian service there. ...
www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/reviewsw21.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
[PDF] The experience of international community at the outset of a new ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Caucasian cultural societies joined by descendants of the North Caucasus
natives eager to. preserve their cultural distinctions (as was the case at the ...
www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents/CEE/ G93%20(Security%20in%20the%20Black%20Sea%20Region/G93.chap2 - Similar pages
Institute for War and Peace Reporting
... Already Russia has seen an upsurge in skinhead violence, often directed against
Caucasus natives, in recent months. Two Azerbaijanis are reported to ...
www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/ cau/cau_200210_153_4_eng.txt - 64k -
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Наталия, ну и бурю Вы подняли!
Я бы хотела добавить несколько замечаний на комментарии коллег к моему ответу:
I deliberately used \"Caucaus ethnic\" vs \"ethnic Caucaisan\" as I have found that the latter is used in the same context as \"Caucasian\", eg.www.gcte.net/Join/join1.htm
Therefore, I thought it would be more clear to stick to word \"Caucasus\".
Aslo, I would prefer - in your context (as it is obviously not an anthropology :) piece but a popular article - to use to \"Caucasus natives\") because the use of Caucasus vs Caucasian excludes a possible misunderstanding and the word \"native\" is fairly widely used in this context not making it sound too scientific.
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Наталия, вот мне все неймется и захотелось обратиться к первоисточникам - заглянула я в свой Оксфордский словарь и увидела, что как существительное слово Caucasian употребляется ТОЛЬКО в значении человек Caucasian race. Так что испльзование Caucasian как существительного в вашем тексте сразу отпадает. Как прилагательное, только третье значение дается как \"3) relating to the region of the Caucasus in SE Europe\". В зависимости от вашей аудитории, может быть не верно понято, поэтому я бы на Вашем месте воздержалась от его использования.
Чисто интуитивно мне не нравилось и мое предоложение насчет \"Caucausus ethnic\" а почему прояснилось когда наткнулась на эту ссылку:
\"Кавказец\" - все больше становится идентичностью, нагруженной не этническим или культурным, но ПОЛИТИЧЕСКИМ содержанием...\" http://www.inci.ru/vestniki/vest07.html
Это как евреев в бывшем Союзе считали национальностью. В общем, оттуда ноги растут.
Native м.б. неплохое решение (по аналогии с native American), но в английском звучит несколько архаично.
People (men) from Caucasus, предложенное коллегами выше, тоже ложится в контекст хотя, конечно, и не передает всех нюансов (эти люди могут быть москвичами, а человек с Кавказа может быть и русским, по большому счету), но может быть наилучшим выходом из Вашей ситуации.
Кстати, мне почему-то кажется, что имеются в виду \"people from North Caucasus\"?
Ну вот, а теперь пойду к своим баранам, то есть рукояткам и джойстикам - будь они неладны!
... a «Caucasus ethnic person» sitting in front of him, what’s more, it was a
Muslim who just came «from down there». From the world that he never ...
www.takas.lt/english/forum/ viewtopic.php?topic=122&forum=6&12 - 48k - Cached - Similar pages
::KAVKAZ CENTER::news::facts::analysis
... But there was a face of a «Caucasus ethnic person» sitting in front of him,
what’s more, it was a Muslim who just came «from down there». ...
www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=2075 - 42k - Supplemental Result
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Note added at 2005-04-29 15:41:07 (GMT)
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How about \"Caucasus natives\"? Some good references here:
Welcome to Ccharm >> Helping the children of Chechnya
... it be in film, books or the theater -- and Caucasus natives today fit this
... thought all Caucasus natives were artistic, charming and sexy and from ...
www.ccharm.org/news/article54.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Review of Tombstone of Russian Power
... early eighteenth century the Cossacks there were still independent and probably
numbered less than the North Caucasus natives in Russian service there. ...
www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/reviewsw21.htm - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
[PDF] The experience of international community at the outset of a new ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Caucasian cultural societies joined by descendants of the North Caucasus
natives eager to. preserve their cultural distinctions (as was the case at the ...
www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents/CEE/ G93%20(Security%20in%20the%20Black%20Sea%20Region/G93.chap2 - Similar pages
Institute for War and Peace Reporting
... Already Russia has seen an upsurge in skinhead violence, often directed against
Caucasus natives, in recent months. Two Azerbaijanis are reported to ...
www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/ cau/cau_200210_153_4_eng.txt - 64k -
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Note added at 2005-04-30 01:46:28 (GMT)
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Наталия, ну и бурю Вы подняли!
Я бы хотела добавить несколько замечаний на комментарии коллег к моему ответу:
I deliberately used \"Caucaus ethnic\" vs \"ethnic Caucaisan\" as I have found that the latter is used in the same context as \"Caucasian\", eg.www.gcte.net/Join/join1.htm
Therefore, I thought it would be more clear to stick to word \"Caucasus\".
Aslo, I would prefer - in your context (as it is obviously not an anthropology :) piece but a popular article - to use to \"Caucasus natives\") because the use of Caucasus vs Caucasian excludes a possible misunderstanding and the word \"native\" is fairly widely used in this context not making it sound too scientific.
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Note added at 2005-04-30 09:55:42 (GMT)
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Наталия, вот мне все неймется и захотелось обратиться к первоисточникам - заглянула я в свой Оксфордский словарь и увидела, что как существительное слово Caucasian употребляется ТОЛЬКО в значении человек Caucasian race. Так что испльзование Caucasian как существительного в вашем тексте сразу отпадает. Как прилагательное, только третье значение дается как \"3) relating to the region of the Caucasus in SE Europe\". В зависимости от вашей аудитории, может быть не верно понято, поэтому я бы на Вашем месте воздержалась от его использования.
Чисто интуитивно мне не нравилось и мое предоложение насчет \"Caucausus ethnic\" а почему прояснилось когда наткнулась на эту ссылку:
\"Кавказец\" - все больше становится идентичностью, нагруженной не этническим или культурным, но ПОЛИТИЧЕСКИМ содержанием...\" http://www.inci.ru/vestniki/vest07.html
Это как евреев в бывшем Союзе считали национальностью. В общем, оттуда ноги растут.
Native м.б. неплохое решение (по аналогии с native American), но в английском звучит несколько архаично.
People (men) from Caucasus, предложенное коллегами выше, тоже ложится в контекст хотя, конечно, и не передает всех нюансов (эти люди могут быть москвичами, а человек с Кавказа может быть и русским, по большому счету), но может быть наилучшим выходом из Вашей ситуации.
Кстати, мне почему-то кажется, что имеются в виду \"people from North Caucasus\"?
Ну вот, а теперь пойду к своим баранам, то есть рукояткам и джойстикам - будь они неладны!
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Or as Jack suggested, "ethnic Caucasian".
54 mins
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Thank you Robert. I was thinking about it, discovered that in some references "ethnic Caucaisan" is used in the same context as Caucasian, eg.www.gcte.net/Join/join1.htm Therefore, I think it would be more clear to stick to word "Caucasus".
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Konstantin Kisin
: with Robert especially
59 mins
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Thank you Konstantin, see my comments above.
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Vladimir Dubisskiy
: ethnic Caucasians
1 hr
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Thank you Vladimir.
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agree |
Drunya
: С предыдущими соглашателями
1 hr
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Thank you Drunya.
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Sergei Tumanov
2 hrs
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Thank you Sergei.
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agree |
Svetlana Chekunova
2 hrs
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Thank you Svetlana.
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Blithe
: ethnic Caucasians
3 hrs
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Thank you Blithe.
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Levan Namoradze
: Нет такой этнической группы в природе. Caucasian правильный ответ.
4 hrs
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Thank you Levan. I did not say "group".
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R. E. M
: there is no such specific ethnicity.
9 hrs
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Thank you Russ, I did not say "specific".
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1 hr
I don't think the use of Caucasians would be too confusing.
Examples where there is no confusion (assuming the readers of your translations have neurons in their cranium)
Gangs
... Some consist of African-Americans, Latinos, Skinheads, Caucasians, and Asians.
Some are mixed. A lot of the gangs I've heard about and are friends with, ...
allfreeessays.com/student/Gangs.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
Russian skinheads lose massive fight to Asian men in Moscow metro
... There are up to 50 thousand skinheads in Russia, which is equal to their ...
the Caucasians pulled out knives and used them for their own defense. ...
www.rickross.com/reference/skinheads/skinheads50.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
Digital Termpapers: Term Papers on Gangs
... There are many different kind of gangs around: African-Americans, Latinos,
Skinheads, Caucasians, and Asians. Some are mixed. ...
www.digitaltermpapers.com/c542.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
Stormfront White Nationalist Community
... of skinheads partook in a racially motivated attack on "ethnic Caucasians".
... "ethnic Caucasians" be white people and if so why would skinheads attack ...
www.stormfront.org/archive/ t-180458Some_clarification_required..html -
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Perhaps \"ethnic Caucasians\" would dispell any doubt about the use of the word
Gangs
... Some consist of African-Americans, Latinos, Skinheads, Caucasians, and Asians.
Some are mixed. A lot of the gangs I've heard about and are friends with, ...
allfreeessays.com/student/Gangs.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
Russian skinheads lose massive fight to Asian men in Moscow metro
... There are up to 50 thousand skinheads in Russia, which is equal to their ...
the Caucasians pulled out knives and used them for their own defense. ...
www.rickross.com/reference/skinheads/skinheads50.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
Digital Termpapers: Term Papers on Gangs
... There are many different kind of gangs around: African-Americans, Latinos,
Skinheads, Caucasians, and Asians. Some are mixed. ...
www.digitaltermpapers.com/c542.htm - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
Stormfront White Nationalist Community
... of skinheads partook in a racially motivated attack on "ethnic Caucasians".
... "ethnic Caucasians" be white people and if so why would skinheads attack ...
www.stormfront.org/archive/ t-180458Some_clarification_required..html -
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Perhaps \"ethnic Caucasians\" would dispell any doubt about the use of the word
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Irene N
: The last option is great., clearly the best. IMHO.
9 mins
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Thanks - yes, the last is less ambiguous
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Robert Donahue (X)
: I'd agree wholeheartedly with "ethnic Caucasians". Please refer to my note to Gary for my thinking on the use of "Caucasian" as a stand alone word.
13 mins
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Thanks, and I agree with your view (regarding note to Gary)
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Kirill Semenov
: "ethnic Caucasians" is great
2 hrs
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Thanks Kirill
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agree |
Konstantin Kisin
: with ethnic Caucasians
2 hrs
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Thanks KK!!
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agree |
Blithe
: ethnic Caucasians
2 hrs
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Blithe, thank you
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agree |
Andrey Belousov (X)
3 hrs
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Thanks Andrey!
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Levan Namoradze
: Great. Both in terms of Anthropology and 'life'. However, Gary answered earlier...+There exists no specific 'Caucasus Ethnic'. I agreed only with 'Caucasian'.
4 hrs
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Ethnic is used to distinguish peoples of the Caucasus from members of the white race
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Marina Khonina
: "ethnic Caucasians". I don't see a problem with "ethnic" here since this is apparently not a scholarly text
1 day 4 hrs
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Thank you, Marina!
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1 hr
Russian term (edited):
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transcaucasians
Caucasian точно будет воспиринято как "белый"(представитель европеоидной рассы), что(мягко говоря) почти противоположно контексту. Поскольку под "лицами кавказской национальности" подразумеваются исключительно закавказцы, а не жители Ставрополья, Краснодарского края, и т.д. предлагаю сконцентрироваться в этом направлении.
Ethnobarometer Working Paper 2 - Part B
... of immigrants of other nationalities (especially Transcaucasians), ...
borders who have approached the office of the UNHCR in Moscow for assistance, ...
www.cemes.org/current/ethpub/ethnobar/wp2/wp2-b.htm
Ethnobarometer Working Paper 2 - Part B
... of immigrants of other nationalities (especially Transcaucasians), ...
borders who have approached the office of the UNHCR in Moscow for assistance, ...
www.cemes.org/current/ethpub/ethnobar/wp2/wp2-b.htm
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Andrey Belousov (X)
: nice approach
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Levan Namoradze
: Не совсем, так как мы не знаем, были ли они с Закавказья, или и северного Кавказа.+Никак нет. :-) 'Caucasian Race' да, но не 'Caucasian'.
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Леван, безусловно так... Но тут такое нелепое совпадение, что по-английски Caucasian означает представителя европеоидной рассы (белого) без подразделений на регионы. А скинхеды-то как раз это разделение и производят...
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Vladimir Glushkov
: Судя по замечательной статье-ссылке, да.
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People from Caucasia
simply "caucasian" is perfectly valid though it could indeed be confusing and one may assume it to be anyone of the "white" race. Since they clearly do not mean Scandinavians or Spanish, etc. here, it is best to use a word for specific geogr. location "Caucasia". The self-explanatory term "caucasian", however, which the world uses to describe the white race, is an entirely different subject
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Levan Namoradze
: :-) No, it can not. 'Caucasian Race' & 'Caucasian' are pretty different.
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