Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
self-esteem
English answer:
a feeling of pride in yourself
Added to glossary by
Nasima Sarwar
Mar 29, 2005 22:43
19 yrs ago
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English term
self esteem vs self-esteemed
English
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Marketing
Would appreciate if anyone can confirm if the word 'self-esteemed' exist and if it's correct gramatically. Thank you.
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5 +11 | No |
Can Altinbay
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5 +6 | not for granding |
Konstantin Kisin
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3 +7 | not for grading |
RHELLER
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5 +1 | Not for grading. The term is: self esteem or self estimation not self esteemed |
Anna Maria Augustine (X)
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5 | Depends on the context |
Robert Donahue (X)
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4 | self-esteemed |
petya yakova
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+11
3 mins
Selected
No
No such word. If you cite context, we could suggest an alternative. "Possesses self esteem" would seem to be what you want without further information.
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Marina Lara Petersen
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Thank you
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Robert Donahue (X)
: It exists Can. I am not claiming that it's appropriate or the best choice. My whole point was that yes, it exists. That's all that I disagreed with in your statement. The logic is fine otherwise.
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Thank you, Robert.
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Konstantin Kisin
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Thank you, Konstantin.
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agree |
Elizabeth Lyons
17 mins
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Thank you, Elizabeth.
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RHELLER
: you are correct Can - even though it exists on google
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Thank you, Rita.
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Michael Schubert
: "It exists" does not mean "it is correct"!
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Thank you, Michael.
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Will Matter
: I don't believe that this word exists in English. Even if examples of "usage" are found it does not mean that it is correct or grammatical. Googling, by itself, with no other supporting evidence appended, indicates nothing & is notoriously unreliable.
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Thank you, willmatter.
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Refugio
: It may "exist" in that some people use it (without thinking it through), but it doesn't make sense, as Rita says, and sounds awful
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Thank you, Ruth. Obviously, I totally concur.
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Anna Maria Augustine (X)
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Thank you, Anna.
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humbird
: Self-esteem is a noun which exists; self-esteemed appears to be an adjective which does not exist in normal context.
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Thank you.
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Tsogt Gombosuren
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Thank you.
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Saleh Chowdhury, Ph.D.
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Thank you.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks everyone...good to receive so much feedback on this...I had corrected someone's entry in Proz (Eng-Malay) stating that 'self-esteemed' is wrong and all your feedback proofs this. Thanks again!"
+7
37 mins
not for grading
I am not an authority but this is my reasoning:
self-esteem is a noun
esteem is a noun/ it is used as an adjective to describe someone who deserves esteem
but since self-esteem only has one member in the audience...who will be calling the person "self" esteemed?
it just doesn't make sense to me
in other words, I am self-esteemed by myself?
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you could say
he exhibits self-esteem
he suffers from a lack of self-esteem
his self-esteem has been raised
HTH
self-esteem is a noun
esteem is a noun/ it is used as an adjective to describe someone who deserves esteem
but since self-esteem only has one member in the audience...who will be calling the person "self" esteemed?
it just doesn't make sense to me
in other words, I am self-esteemed by myself?
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you could say
he exhibits self-esteem
he suffers from a lack of self-esteem
his self-esteem has been raised
HTH
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Of course I agree with you Rita. I'm not married to the word, I am simply stating that for one, it exists. That was a part of the askers' question. Two, it's in usage. Whether it is pretty or not is up to Nasima to decide. That's all : )
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thanks Robert - we could engage in a semantic discussion on "existence" :-)))
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Michael Schubert
: Very good reasoning. The world and Google are stuffed to the gills with bad English. Write does not make right.
36 mins
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thanks Michael, good one :-)
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Can Altinbay
: Of course, I agree with you, Rita. :-)
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thanks Can :-)
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Will Matter
: Your reasoning is very sound & Webster's agrees with you. This "word" raises the frightening possibility of someone being "auto-reflexively self-esteemed" which sounds a lot like what we used to call "stuck up" ;0) Doesn't exist, IMHO.
1 hr
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hey Will :-) haven't heard "stuck-up" in a while but those types are alive and well :-(
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rangepost
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thank you!
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Anna Maria Augustine (X)
: Hi honey bun
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you are very sweet Anna :-)
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Tsogt Gombosuren
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thanks :-)
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+6
40 mins
not for granding
Since I've run out of room for debating this with Robert in the comment box I'll continue here :)
As we are all aware language evolves, while we try to catch up with it. The question here isn't really about whether such a word "exists" or not (clearly it does) but whether it is correct and already accepted into the (correct version of) language, which I do not think it is yet.
A quick google search would suggest that this is a word used on various forums, where people do not tend to use correct English.
Living in the UK, which has been slightly more conservative than the States in terms of adopting new words, I've always viewed these kind of "not-yet-acceptable" words as American simplifications ("couple things" instead of "a couple of things" etc etc ad nauseum) and I think this is just another one of those. I would imagine that my children will have no hesitation about using this word, but I do!
As we are all aware language evolves, while we try to catch up with it. The question here isn't really about whether such a word "exists" or not (clearly it does) but whether it is correct and already accepted into the (correct version of) language, which I do not think it is yet.
A quick google search would suggest that this is a word used on various forums, where people do not tend to use correct English.
Living in the UK, which has been slightly more conservative than the States in terms of adopting new words, I've always viewed these kind of "not-yet-acceptable" words as American simplifications ("couple things" instead of "a couple of things" etc etc ad nauseum) and I think this is just another one of those. I would imagine that my children will have no hesitation about using this word, but I do!
Peer comment(s):
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RHELLER
: hey, I love the dasies example :-)
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Thanks Rita :) You can google almost anything these days :)
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Konstantin, like I said, it exists and is in use. I'm not Akhmatova, defending our "great English speech", but I wouldn't use it either.+++It depends, does he or she like video games? (joke)
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Well Rob, I have to admit I am a big PC game fan, I play a game Call of Duty a lot. Now, the words m8, l8r, etc are in use there, therefore they exist. Would you write cu l8r m8 in an e-mail to your client? I doubt it.
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Michael Schubert
: Even as an American I would have to wince if someone used "self-esteemed" in my presence!
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thanks Mike, I'm glad to hear it! :)))
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Can Altinbay
: Thank you. Obviously, I agree with you. To me, it's a lazy way to express something that can be expressed a lot more cleanly in other ways.
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agree |
Will Matter
: This is neither used nor accepted anywhere in the U.S., in any level of society. Improper usage regardless of which side of the pond you're on, it's simply incorrect.
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agree |
Tsogt Gombosuren
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7 mins
Depends on the context
"self-esteem" is a noun. "self-esteemed" is sometimes used as an adjective.
Am I doing anything to unintentionally attract low-self-esteemed women?"
"Our culture is ridiculous with plastic surgery," she said. "We're creating a culture of low self-esteemed people."
Although we might question his characterizing the self-esteemed individual as childlike, Emerson maintains that children provide models of self-reliant behavior because they are too young to be cynical, hesitant, or hypocritical.
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es·teem (¹-st¶m“) tr.v. es·teemed, es·teem·ing, es·teems. 1. To regard with respect; prize. See Synonyms at appreciate. 2. To regard as; consider: esteemed it an honor to help them. --es·teem n. 1. Favorable regard. See Synonyms at regard. 2. Archaic. Judgment; opinion. [Middle English estemen, to appraise, from Old French estimer, from Latin aestim³re.]
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Final word...\"self-esteemed\" lives, Can stipulated as much. I found it in use. I am willing to stipulate both that it is not an attractive choice, and that the idea may be stated better. I am a sufficiently self-esteemed person that I can handle (and invite) constructive criticism. :-)
Am I doing anything to unintentionally attract low-self-esteemed women?"
"Our culture is ridiculous with plastic surgery," she said. "We're creating a culture of low self-esteemed people."
Although we might question his characterizing the self-esteemed individual as childlike, Emerson maintains that children provide models of self-reliant behavior because they are too young to be cynical, hesitant, or hypocritical.
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es·teem (¹-st¶m“) tr.v. es·teemed, es·teem·ing, es·teems. 1. To regard with respect; prize. See Synonyms at appreciate. 2. To regard as; consider: esteemed it an honor to help them. --es·teem n. 1. Favorable regard. See Synonyms at regard. 2. Archaic. Judgment; opinion. [Middle English estemen, to appraise, from Old French estimer, from Latin aestim³re.]
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Final word...\"self-esteemed\" lives, Can stipulated as much. I found it in use. I am willing to stipulate both that it is not an attractive choice, and that the idea may be stated better. I am a sufficiently self-esteemed person that I can handle (and invite) constructive criticism. :-)
Peer comment(s):
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Marina Lara Petersen
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Thanks Marina
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Can Altinbay
: Sounds kind of manufactured to me, but I'll stipulate that it has been used. === It has been used not the same as good English. Sorry.
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May it please the court your Honor, I found 4,250 hits for it. : ) Stipulate, good word!
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Konstantin Kisin
: Someone typoed and wrote dasies, I looked on google and found 8.9k hits - twice as much and it's still wrong as hell. This is (TO ME) a very much manufactured word. Your examples would sound much better if you put people with low self-esteem
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Kostya! Such language! Are you trying to make an Irish-Mexican blush? It's a little "new-agey" sounding, I grant you and you're correct in that it could be written better. It is a "real" word though and for better or worse it's in use.
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RHELLER
: I am sorry Rob but I have never heard of this word and it doesn't really make sense
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Or we could have a Clintonesque debate on the meaning of "is". : )
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Michael Schubert
: Don't mistake Google for a style guide. "Self-esteemed" is poor writing; I would avoid it.
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Michael, you're late to the party. This has been discussed ad naseum : )
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Will Matter
: I'll be a good, friendly ProZian & give this a "neutral". This is "correct" in the same sense that those who "grow" their money would be strongly inclined to use it. Incorrect, improper, ungrammatical term.
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Thank you Will.
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Refugio
: The asker just wants to know if the word should be used. The answer is no, regardless of context. // Why defend the indefensible? It isn't the word itself, but the fact that people get distracted by side issues, like whether it is found on the internet.
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Gee, whatever happened to the "Gentleman's neutral" Ruth? I'm not sure why this word, among all of the other awful ones bandied about, should arouse such (insert fancy word here since I am tired of saying that it exists, but is not a good choice).
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+1
3 hrs
Not for grading. The term is: self esteem or self estimation not self esteemed
Self estime
Self estimation
www.thefreedictionary.com/selfestimation
Or:
maybe:
the estimed Mr Joe Bloggs
Self estimation
www.thefreedictionary.com/selfestimation
Or:
maybe:
the estimed Mr Joe Bloggs
19 hrs
self-esteemed
both can be used it depends on the context
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