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mikhailo
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Jun 15, 2020

Is there any tool with placeables support to import text variables (figures, links, numbers, trademarks etc) AS TAGS?

For example

S(ource)
T(ranslation)

S: In dynamic analyses for a fatigue assessment, damping factors of 1 % to 2 % are appropriate; see Clause 16.
T: В динамических усталостных анализах применимы коэффициенты демпфирования порядка 1 – 2% от кри�... See more
Is there any tool with placeables support to import text variables (figures, links, numbers, trademarks etc) AS TAGS?

For example

S(ource)
T(ranslation)

S: In dynamic analyses for a fatigue assessment, damping factors of 1 % to 2 % are appropriate; see Clause 16.
T: В динамических усталостных анализах применимы коэффициенты демпфирования порядка 1 – 2% от критического значения, см. главу 16.

I want to replace «16» by placeable

S: In dynamic analyses for a fatigue assessment, damping factors of 1 % to 2 % are appropriate; see Clause &1.
T: В динамических усталостных анализах применимы коэффициенты демпфирования порядка 1 – 2% от критического значения, см. главу &1.

and CAT or alignment tool makes TMX like

S: In dynamic analyses for a fatigue assessment, damping factors of 1 % to 2 % are appropriate; see Clause \tag 1\.
T: В динамических усталостных анализах применимы коэффициенты демпфирования порядка 1 – 2% от критического значения, см. главу \tag 1\.



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Sergei Leshchinsky
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Placeables... Jun 15, 2020

... are handled well by the CAT-tool itself. Occam's razor is about it.
 
mikhailo
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Re Jun 15, 2020

Sergei Leshchinsky wrote:

... are handled well by the CAT-tool itself. Occam's razor is about it.


Do you know CAT, that can import original and translation in translation cells?
 
Samuel Murray
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tw4winInternal Jun 15, 2020

mikhailo wrote:
Is there any tool with placeables support to import text variables (figures, links, numbers, trademarks etc) AS TAGS?


Both Trados 2019 and Wordfast Classic can do that. You need to create a style in MS Word called "tw4winInternal" and then mark the placeables with that style. Then, in Trados, simply align the two files.

The process in WFC is a little more complex: you first have to "extract" the text from the DOC file (using WFC), and then align the two extractions (using PlusTools, which is a WFC utility). Then convert the WFC TM to TMX. Note: you can also align DOC files directly with PlusTools, but then the placeables are not turned into tags.

Here are screenshots of the Trados process (first in Word, then in Trados, then as TMX):

placeable tag


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Sergei Leshchinsky
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i need examples Jun 15, 2020

mikhailo wrote:

Sergei Leshchinsky wrote:

... are handled well by the CAT-tool itself. Occam's razor is about it.


Do you know CAT, that can import original and translation in translation cells?


and let's go to private messaging if it is NDA-related
 
mikhailo
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re2 Jun 15, 2020

Samuel Murray wrote:

mikhailo wrote:
Is there any tool with placeables support to import text variables (figures, links, numbers, trademarks etc) AS TAGS?


WFC does that. If you mark the placeables as tw4winInternal style in the original DOC files, and then "extract" the text of each of the DOC files, the extracted texts will have tags instead of placeables. If you use WFC's alignment tool, "PlusTools", the tags will also end up in the TM, and if you use a TMX converter that understands WFC's tags, it'll convert it into actual TMX tags. PlusTools can align DOC files directly, without the need to create tagged "extracted" files, but then it won't convert the styled text into tags. So if you want tags in your TM, you have to "extract" text from the styled DOC files, and then align the two extraction files.

I just tried it with Trados 2019, and it works. So, you have to have the files in Word, then create a style called "tw4winInternal" and apply that style to the placeables, and then align those files in Trados (no need to do the "extraction" step that is required in WFC).



I have 2 aligned manually simple text files with a lot of information, that I like replace with tags directly or with symbols, which alignment tool replaces with tags.
I can easy replace this information with any tags/symbols in any regex supported tool.

The only way I see now - direct replacement in TMX in text editor.
 


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