| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4] > | Update on changes made to the ProZ.com job posting system, 08 April, 2010 Thread poster: Jared Tabor
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| Response to Stanislaw re: exchange rates | Apr 8, 2010 |
Hello Stanislaw,
Stanislaw Czech wrote:
When updating I begun to wonder - when determining whether to send a job notification or no ("Default minimum rates") how does Proz convert rates from one currency to another? After all when my rates are set in GBP and someone posts a job in USD some conversion is necessary before a notification is sent or no?
The system is performing the conversion, with today's exchange rates.
Thanks everyone for the feedback so far!
Jared
| | | | | No revolution, but purely cosmetic changes | Apr 8, 2010 |
I appreciate the staff's efforts, but I don't believe these changes will change anything. The opportunity of indicating the job budget range granted to job posters turns the whole thing into a cosmetic half-measure which will ultimately ruin all the good intentions of the proposed changes to the job posting system. This is supported by the fact that already 88 per cent of the professionals have opted for access to this info. No doubt, this percentage will be growing, as more translators will wan... See more I appreciate the staff's efforts, but I don't believe these changes will change anything. The opportunity of indicating the job budget range granted to job posters turns the whole thing into a cosmetic half-measure which will ultimately ruin all the good intentions of the proposed changes to the job posting system. This is supported by the fact that already 88 per cent of the professionals have opted for access to this info. No doubt, this percentage will be growing, as more translators will want to know the budget. So, there will be NO REAL CHANGE in the long run - at least for the translators. Who will benefit from this sophisticated 'change'? Not the translators, for sure - but the site staff, since the 'change' will provide additional incentives for paid membership. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tamer Mekhimar 
Egypt
Local time: 04:06
Member (2009)
English to Arabic
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| | Response to Vladimir re: cosmetic changes | Apr 8, 2010 |
Hello Vladimir,
Vladimir Morozov wrote:
I appreciate the staff's efforts, but I don't believe these changes will change anything. The opportunity of indicating the job budget range granted to job posters turns the whole thing into a cosmetic half-measure which will ultimately ruin all the good intentions of the proposed changes to the job posting system. This is supported by the fact that already 88 per cent of the professionals have opted for access to this info. No doubt, this percentage will be growing, as more translators will want to know the budget. So, there will be NO REAL CHANGE in the long run - at least for the translators. Who will benefit from this sophisticated 'change'? Not the translators, for sure - but the site staff, since the 'change' will provide additional incentives for paid membership.
I think we should be careful about judging how the system will ultimately look based on one week's progress. This is merely an update. The general plan is located at http://www.proz.com/about/ipetition/
Regards,
Jared
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| Thank you, Jared | Apr 8, 2010 |
Thanks for all your input.
It would be great if you could come on the 24th to the Conference in Montevideo and explain all these improvements to us, Uruguayan Prozians!
Cordially, Milagros
| | | | | | | Thank you Jared | Apr 9, 2010 |
and all the ProZ.com staff! The implementation of the petitioners' requirements was really fast.
Milada
| | | | Edward Vreeburg
Netherlands
Local time: 03:06
Member (2008)
English to Dutch
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| handling price differences | Apr 9, 2010 |
Vladimir Morozov wrote:
...The opportunity of indicating the job budget range granted to job posters turns the whole thing into a cosmetic half-measure which will ultimately ruin all the good intentions of the proposed changes to the job posting system....
Well that's a bit harsh, but I do agree to a certain extend. just moving the budget/pricing info from the call body to a separate part is just that - a move, it will not impact the bidder's behaviour...
But I have already logged 2 calls for postings that included horrible low budgets in the body of the job - and they where promptly removed.
On the other hand (I have four fingers and a thumb) I would still like to see whether contacting an outsourcer is a complete waste of time or not.
This past week I saw 2 jobs where the suggested budget is lower than the minimum rate calculated by the average Proz calculation (in my language pairs) by 2-4 cents. I would rather have a warning come up which says "You are trying to post a job for which the budget is really extremely low, are you sure you want to post this job" followed by "many translators in this language pair will be insulted by your offer - you are likely to receive e-mails from translators which are either incompetent or very angry with your proposed budget"....
This way outsourcers are informed of the possible consequences of their actions, instead of just filling in a budget field somewhere else.
Now I just contact the client saying, "you have obviously made a typo in your posting, I'm sure you meant 0,14 instead of 0,04 " for example - but I doubt that outsourcers make typo's all the time...
We should all just make our own prices...
Well that's just my 2 cts ( or 10).
Greetings
Ed
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| in support of Vladimir's and Ed's statements | Apr 9, 2010 |
With all due respect to the Proz team, I agree with Vladimir in that the changes are not really efficient. Almost all collegues have opted to see a budget, so if low rates are posted (and that's exactly what I see now even if they are not in the body), everyone can still see it, and the job board is still used to "popularize" low rates, isn't it?
Just one example:
Mechanical engineering text. Budget is in the range of from USD 0.03 to 0.05. Isn't it the "popularization... See more With all due respect to the Proz team, I agree with Vladimir in that the changes are not really efficient. Almost all collegues have opted to see a budget, so if low rates are posted (and that's exactly what I see now even if they are not in the body), everyone can still see it, and the job board is still used to "popularize" low rates, isn't it?
Just one example:
Mechanical engineering text. Budget is in the range of from USD 0.03 to 0.05. Isn't it the "popularization" of low rates? I think it is.
I agree with Ed in that a warning saying the rates are too low should pop up. It would be great if outsoursers were prevented from proceeding further with their posting until rates have been increased. I mean that the system do not let them proceed with their posting. But I think this is not going to happen.
I think another option would be to launch an educational campaing with as many participants involved as possible. It could be not just texts, which IMO are not that efficient alone, but a combination of text, pictures, video, etc. I was even thinking of creating parodies/caricatures for low-ball players that offer ridiculously low rates.
One of the colleagues voiced a great idea here in the forums: highlighting outsourcers in different colors so that everyone can see what they pay.
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| | | | Krzysztof Kajetanowicz (X)
Poland
Local time: 03:06
English to Polish
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In the kudoz.com homepage I can now see jobs in all language pairs, not just mine, as I had seen previously. I have to go to "browse jobs" to have the jobs view restricted to my language pairs. Anybody else have this problem?
[Edited at 2010-04-09 11:20 GMT]
| | | | | similar problem | Apr 9, 2010 |
Krzysztof Kajetanowicz wrote:
In the kudoz.com homepage I can now see jobs in all language pairs, not just mine, as I had seen previously. I have to go to "browse jobs" to have the jobs view restricted to my language pairs. Anybody else have this problem?
[Edited at 2010-04-09 11:20 GMT]
My brother has a similar problem but it concerns Kudoz area. Questions in all language pairs are now displayed no matter what you have opted for: Your preference or All pairs.
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Milagros Chapital wrote:
Thanks for all your input.
It would be great if you could come on the 24th to the Conference in Montevideo and explain all these improvements to us, Uruguayan Prozians!
Cordially, Milagros
Hi Milagros,
I will be there to do that, and I'll be happy to field any questions on the changes being made.
I look forward to being back in Montevideo.
Kind regards,
Enrique
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| Home page settings | Apr 9, 2010 |
Krzysztof Kajetanowicz wrote:
In the kudoz.com homepage I can now see jobs in all language pairs, not just mine, as I had seen previously. I have to go to "browse jobs" to have the jobs view restricted to my language pairs. Anybody else have this problem?
[Edited at 2010-04-09 11:20 GMT]
Hello Krzysztof,
You are referring to the home page, not the jobs search page, correct? I've put in a support request for you on this, to have this checked out. Thanks.
Jared
| | | | Krzysztof Kajetanowicz (X)
Poland
Local time: 03:06
English to Polish
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| RominaZ
Argentina
English to Spanish
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| Problem should be solved now. | Apr 9, 2010 |
Hi Krzysztof,
Thanks for reporting this. The problem should be solved now.
If you notice further problems please submit a support request.
Thanks
Romina
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