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Spanish term or phrase:
crótalos
English translation:
crotales, zil(l)s, sagats, finger cymbals
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crótalo
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This appears in a text about the history of castanets stating that in prehistoric times, men used stone "crótalos" to make music, I can see what it means (a primitive form of castanet), is there a word for this in English?
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| 4 | zil(l), sagat, finger cymbal |
tazdog (X)
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| 3 | stone rings/ flat stone disks |
Noni Gilbert Riley
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zil(l), sagat, finger cymbal
I can't imagine them being made of stone, but this is what "crótalos" are--I had the term come up in a text on belly dancing a while back:
***Finger cymbals, also called crotales, sagats, or zil,*** are smaller than the full-size cymbal with which most readers would be most familiar. Although less well-known, they are as old as any other form of cymbal and date from the middle of the first millennium BC. The are often made of brass, rather than bronze, to allow for a more resonant tone, less encumbered by the overtones of larger cymbals.
http://www.simutronics.com/etimes/et7/armory.htm
Sagats (Castanets)
Also known as Zills or Cymbals
http://www.faridaspassions.com/Belly Dancing/BuyBellyDancing...
Pictures of "crótalos" in Spanish (you can compare to the photos in the links above):
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=crótalos&btnG=Search...
***Finger cymbals, also called crotales, sagats, or zil,*** are smaller than the full-size cymbal with which most readers would be most familiar. Although less well-known, they are as old as any other form of cymbal and date from the middle of the first millennium BC. The are often made of brass, rather than bronze, to allow for a more resonant tone, less encumbered by the overtones of larger cymbals.
http://www.simutronics.com/etimes/et7/armory.htm
Sagats (Castanets)
Also known as Zills or Cymbals
http://www.faridaspassions.com/Belly Dancing/BuyBellyDancing...
Pictures of "crótalos" in Spanish (you can compare to the photos in the links above):
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=crótalos&btnG=Search...
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Comment: "Actually I used "crotales" that you mentioned in your text because it seemed more similar to the Spanish.
Thanks a lot"
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stone rings/ flat stone disks
DRAE isn´t a great deal of help because crótalos aren´t supposed to be made of stone according to it! ( crótalo.
(Del lat. crotălum, y este del gr. κρόταλον).
1. m. Serpiente venenosa de América, que tiene en el extremo de la cola unos anillos óseos, con los cuales hace al moverse cierto ruido particular.
2. m. Instrumento musical de percusión usado antiguamente y semejante a la castañuela.
3. m. poét. castañuela. )
But I think it´s quite easy to deduce! I actually prefer disks because I can´t think stone rings seem less likely to be found and used.
If it doesn´t say stone of course, then bone rings or the like will be fine.
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Note added at 49 mins (2007-02-05 10:19:52 GMT)
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Notice my explanation is a bit garbled at the end: I was trying in my inarticulate way to say that stone rings aren´t very thick on the ground (pun intended)!
(Del lat. crotălum, y este del gr. κρόταλον).
1. m. Serpiente venenosa de América, que tiene en el extremo de la cola unos anillos óseos, con los cuales hace al moverse cierto ruido particular.
2. m. Instrumento musical de percusión usado antiguamente y semejante a la castañuela.
3. m. poét. castañuela. )
But I think it´s quite easy to deduce! I actually prefer disks because I can´t think stone rings seem less likely to be found and used.
If it doesn´t say stone of course, then bone rings or the like will be fine.
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Note added at 49 mins (2007-02-05 10:19:52 GMT)
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Notice my explanation is a bit garbled at the end: I was trying in my inarticulate way to say that stone rings aren´t very thick on the ground (pun intended)!
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