Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

corchete (música)

English translation:

beam

Added to glossary by Judith Facio
Feb 21, 2002 03:39
22 yrs ago
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Spanish term

corchete (música)

Spanish to English Art/Literary Music Music
"El agrupamiento métrico de motivos por medio de corchetes que abarcan más de un compás es idiomático en el compositor."

"Corchetes" here is not brackets but, I think, the little flag on an un-joined eighth note (quaver). (See http://www.ctv.es/USERS/norman/timec.htm )

So is the sentence saying that this composer joined eighth notes across bar lines?

Discussion

Jon Zuber (X) Feb 21, 2002:
Who's the composer?
Non-ProZ.com Feb 21, 2002:
Ties, slurs or beams? Clearly the eighth notes (quaver) are joined across the bar lines in some way. I think it is by beams, but others have suggested ties or slurs, without proving their case. Please answer only if you know what I'm talking about.
Non-ProZ.com Feb 21, 2002:
Ties, slurs or beams?

Proposed translations

8 hrs
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Beam

You are right. The composer joins eighth notes across bar lines, something quite unusual (but the text already indicates this is sonmething idiomatic in this composer).

Hope it helps!



Actualidad - Música Clásica Argentina
... PRÓLOGO. ... Bs. As., música clásica Argentina, 2001. Agosto de 2001. Por ... k. Herramienta
de ángulo de corchete (Beam Angle Tool). l. Herramienta de interrupción ...
www.musicaclasicaargentina.com/4compraslibros3.htm - 72k

Guitar Lesson Four - Right Hand Technique - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... just the same as before. One beam = eighth notes, two beams = sixteenth notes etc ... as
we continue along, but eighth note triplets are the most widely ...
www.zentao.com/guitar/lesson4/right-hand.html - 10k

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A beam does not only indicate the lenght of a note, but also connects notes:

Learn2 Read Music - [ Traduzca esta página ]
... The number of horizontal lines in a beam indicates note length. Two eighth notes
connected by a beam. Music also has rests, which indicate silent beats. They\'re ...
www.learn2.com/09/0917/09174.asp - 25k
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2 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "It's beam. Not ties or slurs, but the little line joining the top of successive eighth notes (quavers). It's wholly unconventional to join them across a bar line, but apparently this composer did it to emphasize the rhythmic grouping of the notes. I thought I wouldn't have a chance to consult with my music teacher before this job was due for delivery, but I got a little extra time, so I was able to ask him, and he confirmed it. BTW, the composer was Silvestre Revueltas."
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3 mins

buckle

buckle
Peer comment(s):

neutral Theodore Fink : Esta e uma questao de musica, Rafaela. Estao referindo-se a uma cocheia, nao e?
58 mins
disagree Veronica Lambert Hall : the subject is music
5 hrs
disagree Judith Facio : Not in music
8 hrs
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56 mins

quaver / eighth note

the first is UK the second is US.

(Please be so kind as to specify the target language next time. Thanks, so much.)

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Note added at 2002-02-21 04:42:41 (GMT)
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That\'s right. The quavers go through the bars (acroos bar lines)
Peer comment(s):

neutral Veronica Lambert Hall : quavers yes, but they are tied in this case.
4 hrs
Thanks, Veronica: You'll notice I mentioned "across the bars" (misstyped)
disagree Judith Facio : The question is "corchete", and not "corchea"
7 hrs
The question is about music, Judith, it's about whether the notes cross the bar line and what that's called.
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56 mins

hook

Hi!

It's called a hook. See the illustrations and explanations in this link: http://www.dsi.unifi.it/~moods/moods/mus_not.htm

"The duration of a note is conventionally represented by a relative value to the beat -- e.g., a note of an eighth (8th), a note of a quarter (4th), etc. The number of beats is stated on the basis of indications of tempo. The effective value of duration depends on:
- kind of notehead (open or filled);
- the presence or not of the stem;
- the presence or not of hooks (in groups of notes, beams, they are converted in bars);

(.....)

The beams are groups of notes connected with a large transversal line (simple of multiple depending on the hook value of the notes belonging to the beam). It is a different way to visualize set of notes to make easier the read of the notes but without a counterpart in the execution. The orientation of the bar among the notes is defined on the basis of well-known rules."

Hope this helps.

Andrea
Peer comment(s):

neutral Theodore Fink : They're talking about MUSIC, aren't they?
3 mins
I am... did you see my link? :-/
disagree Veronica Lambert Hall : The term hook is not commonly used in music, at least in the UK
4 hrs
Gracias, Verónica! It's good to learn something... aunque me sienta como si la maestra de música me pusiera en penitencia! ;-)
neutral Martijn Naarding : hook is in my dictionary as well. I don´t know if it is common or not...
5 hrs
thanks... :-)
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1 hr

it's called a tie

when it spans more than one measure. It's a simple explanation, but that's what it is.

HTH

Rick
Peer comment(s):

agree Veronica Lambert Hall : It's a tie or a tied note and indicates that the note is sutsained into the next bar. It is often used in syncopated music.
4 hrs
agree José Luis Villanueva-Senchuk (X)
4 hrs
disagree Judith Facio : A tie in Spanish is a "ligadura"
7 hrs
agree Bill Greendyk : If it's referring to the curved lines which connect notes and cross the bar lines, in English that's a tie, without a doubt.
8 hrs
disagree María C. Cané Loza : Totally agree with Judith
8 hrs
agree Alisu S-G
21 hrs
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5 hrs

tie or tied note (more info)

On the same page Andrea mentions it says :
The tie is an arc between two notes at the same high. It states that the two notes must be considered as a unique note with duration equal to the sum of the durations of the notes linked. It is visually specified by using an arc among the note. A tie can be cut off at the end of the page, in this case it has to restart from middle of the arc;

See also notas punteadas, ligaduras in tbe page you yourself give in your question, and then imagine that done over a barline rather than in the same bar. It's used to fill that beat of the bar with the same note as before without repeating it. Quite hard to explain in writing!!

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Maybe the fact that none of us seem to agree means that we either need more context or the text itself is rather ambiguous!!! All in all, we\'re aren\'t much help to the asker, are we!!! I agree that the Spanish word for tie is ligadura, but from the text that\'s what I understand the writer to mean.
Peer comment(s):

disagree Judith Facio : A tie in Spanish is a "ligadura"
2 hrs
disagree María C. Cané Loza : Totally agree with Judith
4 hrs
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6 hrs

crochet ,crotchet

I do not understand full, but just and alternative to consider
This crotchet symbol represents a quarter-note rest
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10 hrs

It's a Slur...

if the meaning is the following:
a. A curved line connecting notes on a score to indicate that they are to be played or sung legato. b. A passage played or sung in this manner.

It's a Tie, if the meaning is the following:
Music. A curved line above or below two notes of the same pitch, indicating that the tone is to be sustained for their combined duration.

Former refers to phrasing, latter to duration of notes.

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Note added at 2002-02-21 14:03:08 (GMT)
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From your context, it looks like they\'re talking about the author\'s phrased his motifs by markings.

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For a good example, see Beethoven\'s Piano Sonata Opus 13, Pathetique, First Movement. There are slurs all over. (This sonata kicks butt, too.)

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Note added at 2002-02-21 14:41:57 (GMT)
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For a good example, see Beethoven\'s Piano Sonata Opus 13, Pathetique, First Movement. There are slurs all over. (This sonata kicks butt, too.)
Peer comment(s):

agree José Luis Villanueva-Senchuk (X) : Parece que los Rick (Zingale y Henry) se llevan la palma hoy...
4 hrs
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