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Spanish term or phrase:
inadecuada ocupación laboral
English translation:
inappropriate / unacceptable working conditions
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Charles Davis
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inadecuada ocupación laboral
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Newspaper article on gold mining in Peru
Hi everyone! I'm translating a second article on illegal and informal gold mining in Peru. Does this refer to the fact that the actual work is unsuitable? Not quite sure how to put it in (UK) English. Thanks for your help!
Según el mismo reportaje, hay 200 clubes nocturnos en la zona minera. En estos casos, hay trata de personas, prostitución infantil, explotación infantil, y desescolarización. En términos de perjuicio social individual, la Defensoría del Pueblo indica que la minería ilegal se asocia además con alcoholismo e **inadecuada ocupación laboral**, pero en términos colectivos, implica inseguridad ciudadana, descomposición social, daños a la salud y grave afectación a ecosistemas frágiles.
Según el mismo reportaje, hay 200 clubes nocturnos en la zona minera. En estos casos, hay trata de personas, prostitución infantil, explotación infantil, y desescolarización. En términos de perjuicio social individual, la Defensoría del Pueblo indica que la minería ilegal se asocia además con alcoholismo e **inadecuada ocupación laboral**, pero en términos colectivos, implica inseguridad ciudadana, descomposición social, daños a la salud y grave afectación a ecosistemas frágiles.
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inappropriate working conditions
I think this is the meaning. "Inadecuado", after all, strictly means "inappropriate" rather than inadequate.
The following use of the expression, in another document on the same subject (illegal mining in Peru) seems to me to imply the meaning I've indicated:
"De otro lado, están los impactos sociales, como la inadecuada ocupación laboral –que va desde violación a las normas de seguridad e higiene minera, pasa por explotación infantil y llega hasta el esclavismo–"
http://www.raejurisprudencia.com.pe/especial/descargas.php?p... (p. 9 col. 2)
Exploitation and slavery might be regarded as employment conditions rather than working conditions, but I think the latter covers both and is certainly more suitable for the first part, which is really about "health and safety", issues.
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As I say, I think "working conditions" is the phrase; "employment conditions" tends to imply contractual conditions.
"Unsuitable" could be used instead of "inappropriate", or possibly "unfit", or even, stretching a point, "unacceptable".
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I can see how "inadecuada ocupación" might lead you to "lack of employment", but this really doesn't fit the context, it seems to me: surely illegal mining, if anything, provides employment where it is lacking. The problem this is referring to is the quality of that employment, how and in what conditions people are required to work.
I repeat: "inadecuado" does not mean "inadequate" in the sense of "insufficient", only in the sense of "not up to standard". It can't mean inadequate in terms of quantity: to that extent it's a false friend.
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To the extent that it is found used in the sense of inadequate (insufficient), it is a calque of English.
The following use of the expression, in another document on the same subject (illegal mining in Peru) seems to me to imply the meaning I've indicated:
"De otro lado, están los impactos sociales, como la inadecuada ocupación laboral –que va desde violación a las normas de seguridad e higiene minera, pasa por explotación infantil y llega hasta el esclavismo–"
http://www.raejurisprudencia.com.pe/especial/descargas.php?p... (p. 9 col. 2)
Exploitation and slavery might be regarded as employment conditions rather than working conditions, but I think the latter covers both and is certainly more suitable for the first part, which is really about "health and safety", issues.
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As I say, I think "working conditions" is the phrase; "employment conditions" tends to imply contractual conditions.
"Unsuitable" could be used instead of "inappropriate", or possibly "unfit", or even, stretching a point, "unacceptable".
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I can see how "inadecuada ocupación" might lead you to "lack of employment", but this really doesn't fit the context, it seems to me: surely illegal mining, if anything, provides employment where it is lacking. The problem this is referring to is the quality of that employment, how and in what conditions people are required to work.
I repeat: "inadecuado" does not mean "inadequate" in the sense of "insufficient", only in the sense of "not up to standard". It can't mean inadequate in terms of quantity: to that extent it's a false friend.
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To the extent that it is found used in the sense of inadequate (insufficient), it is a calque of English.
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Adriana Uribe
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unemployment / inadequate employment situation
En la página web a la que me refiero se están tratando precisamente estos temas y parece ser la traducción más adecuada, sin embargo creo que debido al contexto y lenguaje del documento original se puede hablar de unemployment / inadequate employment.
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"low employment" or "a lack of employment"
See the term "subempleo"- this seems to be the meaning of the expression
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Robert Forstag
: At least in the US, we would say "unemployment or underemployment," but this seems to be the idea (after seeing Charles' post, I'm not so sure.)
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underemployment
literally an inadequate level of employment, when the worker is offered fewer hours than the worker wants.
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From a Peruvian document, like your source:
departamento.pucp.edu.pe/economia/images/.../LDE-2012-02a-04.pdf
Subempleo: el subempleo surge de la inadecuada ocupación de las personas. Se considera subempleadas a las personas que trabajan 35 o más horas a la semana y perciben
un ingreso mensual inferior al mínimo establecido; es decir, el «ingreso de referencia»,
que es equivalente a una canasta mínima de consumo. Existen dos tipos de subempleo:
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From a Peruvian document, like your source:
departamento.pucp.edu.pe/economia/images/.../LDE-2012-02a-04.pdf
Subempleo: el subempleo surge de la inadecuada ocupación de las personas. Se considera subempleadas a las personas que trabajan 35 o más horas a la semana y perciben
un ingreso mensual inferior al mínimo establecido; es decir, el «ingreso de referencia»,
que es equivalente a una canasta mínima de consumo. Existen dos tipos de subempleo:
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Rosa Paredes
: I think it goes beyond this. Se trata de faltar a la normativa vigente.
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unsuitable social conditions for the growth formal gainful employment
Quizá sea un poco largo, pero creo que se ajusta realmente al concepto...
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substandard working conditions
This is the term I usually use in Mining Impact Studies.
www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2003/0903bedoya.html
Perhaps more egregious than the sheepherders' substandard working conditions is the fact that the law facilitates their exploitation: Peruvian sheepherders are ...
www.miningweekly.com/.../inadequate-living-conditions-still...
Feb 24, 2012 - The living conditions of most South African mine workers have yet to meet the ... Without access to adequate housing and nutrition, these employees are frequently ill and .... Peru, South African mining-related trade increasing.
www.solidaritycenter.org/files/policybrief_peru.pdf
be low and conditions substandard, is impossible to determine with precision, but estimates .... Children are frequently trafficked for work in the mining, logging ...
www.americasquarterly.org/do-chinese-mining-companies-explo...
Our case study focuses on the mining sector in Peru, which is China's fourth-largest ... different actors in the mining industry to work on issues such as transparency, .... and bringing in Chinese workers at low wages in substandard conditions, ...
www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2003/0903bedoya.html
Perhaps more egregious than the sheepherders' substandard working conditions is the fact that the law facilitates their exploitation: Peruvian sheepherders are ...
www.miningweekly.com/.../inadequate-living-conditions-still...
Feb 24, 2012 - The living conditions of most South African mine workers have yet to meet the ... Without access to adequate housing and nutrition, these employees are frequently ill and .... Peru, South African mining-related trade increasing.
www.solidaritycenter.org/files/policybrief_peru.pdf
be low and conditions substandard, is impossible to determine with precision, but estimates .... Children are frequently trafficked for work in the mining, logging ...
www.americasquarterly.org/do-chinese-mining-companies-explo...
Our case study focuses on the mining sector in Peru, which is China's fourth-largest ... different actors in the mining industry to work on issues such as transparency, .... and bringing in Chinese workers at low wages in substandard conditions, ...
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