May 22, 2004 17:44
20 yrs ago
Russian term
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podaviv vynuzhdennuiu veselost', skazal on sukho -
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novel circa 1900-1910.
Context:
Character A (Protasov) is having an argument with character B (a priest).
In the middle of the argument the priest sneezes which makes averyone laugh, including Protasov, but then Protasov resumes his argument.
Vse zasmeialis', i Protasov.
- Net, milostivyi gosudar', - podaviv vynuzhdennuiu veselost', skazal on sukho - vy sovershenno nepravy.
What does the 'vynuzhdennuiu veselost' refer to - the fact that Protasov laughed or that he called the priest 'Dear Sir". I think it is the former but I wanted to check.
Context:
Character A (Protasov) is having an argument with character B (a priest).
In the middle of the argument the priest sneezes which makes averyone laugh, including Protasov, but then Protasov resumes his argument.
Vse zasmeialis', i Protasov.
- Net, milostivyi gosudar', - podaviv vynuzhdennuiu veselost', skazal on sukho - vy sovershenno nepravy.
What does the 'vynuzhdennuiu veselost' refer to - the fact that Protasov laughed or that he called the priest 'Dear Sir". I think it is the former but I wanted to check.
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Alexander Demyanov
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he suppressed the forced gaiety and spoke dryly
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...and said in a dry tone
Actually there are dozens of ways to express the same
...and said in a dry tone
Actually there are dozens of ways to express the same
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Comment: "Thanks to both - I'm grading now as I have the answer I need - I misunderstood the original...it makes sense now..."
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the fact that Protasov laughed
'vynuzhdennaia veselost' - compelled/forced cheerfulness. He was forced to laugh while he had a serious argument with B.
'milostivyi gosudar' sounds normal as he was arguing.
'milostivyi gosudar' sounds normal as he was arguing.
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suppressing his forced gaiety, he uttered dryly
It seems he had to keep his veselost' under control because of everyone's joyful mood (related to the priest's sneeze) - so as to turn the conversation back into an argument.
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Note added at 13 mins (2004-05-22 17:58:09 GMT) Post-grading
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A question remains whether his suppressed his veselost\' or everyone\'s. Can you tell this by the way the conversation goes from there on?
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Note added at 14 mins (2004-05-22 17:59:33 GMT) Post-grading
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A question remains whether his suppressed his veselost\' or everyone\'s. Can you tell this by the way the conversation goes from there on?
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Note added at 13 mins (2004-05-22 17:58:09 GMT) Post-grading
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A question remains whether his suppressed his veselost\' or everyone\'s. Can you tell this by the way the conversation goes from there on?
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Note added at 14 mins (2004-05-22 17:59:33 GMT) Post-grading
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A question remains whether his suppressed his veselost\' or everyone\'s. Can you tell this by the way the conversation goes from there on?
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he supressed the irrelevant hilarity and said dryly - you are wrong
1. It refers to the fact that in the middle of the argument the priest suddenly sneezed(may be loudly?)- so it was not really a good reason for laughing and actually it wasn't a right time.
2.In Russian we have "vynuzhdennaja" with 2 meanings.The 1-st is in the Alexander's answer(the forced landing,etc). But I don't see anybody to force them to laugh. It was just silly reaction(it happens)for smth unexpected.There is the 2-nd: "vynuzdennaja pauza"- not forced, but it happens when situation is inappropriate, awkward, unnatural- everybody keeps quite...In this case they began to laugh(in opposite) but still - irrelevant.And - they can lost attention to the argument because of laughing which wasn't in Protasov's interests (I guess).
2.In Russian we have "vynuzhdennaja" with 2 meanings.The 1-st is in the Alexander's answer(the forced landing,etc). But I don't see anybody to force them to laugh. It was just silly reaction(it happens)for smth unexpected.There is the 2-nd: "vynuzdennaja pauza"- not forced, but it happens when situation is inappropriate, awkward, unnatural- everybody keeps quite...In this case they began to laugh(in opposite) but still - irrelevant.And - they can lost attention to the argument because of laughing which wasn't in Protasov's interests (I guess).
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Mikhail Kropotov
: irrelevant does not fit here. they laughed and were moved/forced into a more joyful mood. the mood was inappropriate to the argument, but not irrelevant
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thank you, but do you think they were forced into better mood by sneezing? I really can't imagine it, that's not for "forcing"
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