Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Ein heimlicher Riese
English translation:
a hidden giant
Added to glossary by
Jen Lawson
Dec 11, 2012 15:33
11 yrs ago
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German term
Ein heimlicher Riese
German to English
Bus/Financial
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
Newspaper article
This term appears in a newspaper article about a soft/hardware manufacturer now employing 17000 software engineers and taking over the market. Can I just translate this as a 'secret giant' or is there a better UK English phrase?
'Seit langem wird in DE beklagt, dass das Land nur ganz wenig große IT-Konzerne hervorgebracht hat. Ein heimlicher Riese wird dabei gern übersehen.'
'Seit langem wird in DE beklagt, dass das Land nur ganz wenig große IT-Konzerne hervorgebracht hat. Ein heimlicher Riese wird dabei gern übersehen.'
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Change log
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a hidden giant
... might fit the bill. But for me (and maybe it's just me) there's a bit of a word play on "heimlich" and "Heimat", so I might be tempted to introduce the idea of "home-grown" with something like "... but a giant right under our noses is often overlooked" - that links back to "das Land", and "overlooked" of itself implies something a bit hidden.
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seehand
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Patrick Hubenthal
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Horst Huber (X)
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Johanna Timm, PhD
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I eventually went with 'a hidden giant has managed to stay off the radar' - thank you so much for all the suggestions!"
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dark horse
One major player is often overlooked as something of a dark horse in the industry.
A dark horse
Meaning
Someone who emerges to prominence; being previously little known.
Origin
This was originally horse racing parlance. A dark horse was one that wasn't known to the punters and was difficult to place odds on. The figurative use later spread to other fields and has come to apply to anyone who comes under scrutiny but is previously little known.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/108200.html
A dark horse
Meaning
Someone who emerges to prominence; being previously little known.
Origin
This was originally horse racing parlance. A dark horse was one that wasn't known to the punters and was difficult to place odds on. The figurative use later spread to other fields and has come to apply to anyone who comes under scrutiny but is previously little known.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/108200.html
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Maja_K
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philgoddard
: This doesn't convey the idea of Riese but, as you say, it can be expressed elsewhere in the sentence.
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Kurt Kruger
: I like this one, although it's used more often for people. See also my answer.
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a giant under the radar
"The Google Sneak Attack: building a software giant under the radar."
Or perhaps, less likely, "a sleeping giant"
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Possible translation:
"One giant has flown under the radar."
Or perhaps, less likely, "a sleeping giant"
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Possible translation:
"One giant has flown under the radar."
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An unknown giant
Time magazine as well as some open software people seem to like the term "unknown giant". However, some of the other answers are quite good, too.
As I'm trying to sell "unknown giant", though, there is this article from the New York Times about Lenovo, a computer manufacturer and they head their article with "An Unknown Giant Flexes Its Muscles".
As I'm trying to sell "unknown giant", though, there is this article from the New York Times about Lenovo, a computer manufacturer and they head their article with "An Unknown Giant Flexes Its Muscles".
Reference:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,862499,00.html
http://www.linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2010020403235NWBD
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BrigitteHilgner
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British Diana
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Patrick Hubenthal
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Harald Moelzer (medical-translator)
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a hidden champion
should be possible too...
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Johanna Timm, PhD
: gefällt mir eigentlich sehr gut - nur ist dieser Begriff wohl schon belegt: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Champions
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Kalyani Gadre
: I really think this is quite apt
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secret giant / stealth giant
You already have a couple of good options on the table (I like the hidden and unknown giants the best), but just for kicks I'll throw in a couple more.
"Secret giant" sounds more natural to me, so I was surprised at how few Google hits it got -- and the top one comes from a Brazilian source. I still like it though.
"Harald has developed into a 'secret' giant of the South American chocolate industry over the past years."
http://www.buhlergroup.com/global/en/about-buehler/news/arch...
"J.S. Cardone, the screenwriter, has one of the most thrilling IMDB pages ever recorded. A secret giant of Hollywood."
http://gawker.com/5382765/
"Stealth giant" I find a bit more awkward, but the NY Times liked it enough to use it in a headline:
"A Stealth Giant in the Gun Industry"
https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/11/27/business/27gun-...
"VF Corp. is something of a stealth giant, a company that touches your life in dozens of different ways without your ever being aware of it."
http://books.google.com/books?id=DidZAAAAYAAJ&q="a stealth g...
And it's also similar to "stealth startup," which is the right context (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_startup). On the other hand, "stealth" as an adjective often has negative connotations (stealth candidate, stealth tax, stealth juror).
"Secret giant" sounds more natural to me, so I was surprised at how few Google hits it got -- and the top one comes from a Brazilian source. I still like it though.
"Harald has developed into a 'secret' giant of the South American chocolate industry over the past years."
http://www.buhlergroup.com/global/en/about-buehler/news/arch...
"J.S. Cardone, the screenwriter, has one of the most thrilling IMDB pages ever recorded. A secret giant of Hollywood."
http://gawker.com/5382765/
"Stealth giant" I find a bit more awkward, but the NY Times liked it enough to use it in a headline:
"A Stealth Giant in the Gun Industry"
https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/11/27/business/27gun-...
"VF Corp. is something of a stealth giant, a company that touches your life in dozens of different ways without your ever being aware of it."
http://books.google.com/books?id=DidZAAAAYAAJ&q="a stealth g...
And it's also similar to "stealth startup," which is the right context (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_startup). On the other hand, "stealth" as an adjective often has negative connotations (stealth candidate, stealth tax, stealth juror).
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a giant in disguise
Another option
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unsuspected industry leader
unnoticed industry leader
inconspicuous powerhouse
Seit langem wird in DE beklagt, dass das Land nur ganz wenig große IT-Konzerne hervorgebracht hat. Ein heimlicher Riese wird dabei gern übersehen.
a big company in this market but not seen/noticed/suspected as such in this market.
They're not known as IT powerhouse but they are.
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unsusoected: meaning 2:
meaning 2: http://thefreedictionary.com (= not known to exist); alternative: inconspicuous ..., little-known ..., (yet) unheard-of, an ever-so quiet leader/powerhouese/giant
a giant unbeknownst to anyone
inconspicuous powerhouse
Seit langem wird in DE beklagt, dass das Land nur ganz wenig große IT-Konzerne hervorgebracht hat. Ein heimlicher Riese wird dabei gern übersehen.
a big company in this market but not seen/noticed/suspected as such in this market.
They're not known as IT powerhouse but they are.
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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2012-12-13 00:09:16 GMT)
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unsusoected: meaning 2:
meaning 2: http://thefreedictionary.com (= not known to exist); alternative: inconspicuous ..., little-known ..., (yet) unheard-of, an ever-so quiet leader/powerhouese/giant
a giant unbeknownst to anyone
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Horst Huber (X)
: Any industrial leaders not suspected of something?
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meaning 2; check http://thefreedictionary.com (= not known to exist); alternative: inconspicuous ..., little-known ..., (yet) unheard-of, ...
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Discussion
Der XXXKonzern hat sich in den vergangenen 5 Jahren mit inzwischen 17000 Software-Entwicklern zu einer SAP der Industriesoftware entwickelt.
It goes on to compare this with the software developer who has 17500 developers.