Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
dans le fait même
English translation:
is significant per se
French term
Over twenty years of translation
Native in: Persian (Farsi) (Variant: IRAN) 
, Armenian
Works in: English to Persian (Farsi), Persian (Farsi) to English, French to English, and 6 more.
dans le fait même
| 3 +2 | is significant per se |
ormiston
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| 4 +2 | in the very fact (of) |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 +1 | resides in the fact itslef |
telefpro
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| 5 -2 | In fact, the same |
Salih YILDIRIM
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| 2 | is of value in itself |
Adam Warren
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May 21, 2012 16:37: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "dans le fait meme" to "dans le fait même"
Non-PRO (1): Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Proposed translations
is significant per se
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B D Finch
: I don't think that it is clumsy and it does fit the context best.
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thank you!
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: I like this one too. Clumsy? Not at all.
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I will now venture to say that I actually meant that it is the French that is a little clumsy (!)
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resides in the fact itslef
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Note added at 11 mins (2012-05-21 16:00:47 GMT)
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error ; resides in the fact itself
United States
Meticulous, scrupulous, curious work!
Native in: Turkish (Variant: Standard-İstanbul )
Works in: Turkish to English, English to Turkish, French to Turkish, and 1 more.
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
in the very fact (of)
Any chance of more context?
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Note added at 21 mins (2012-05-21 16:10:58 GMT)
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In the event of your sentence being complete as is, then as more succint version might be as follows :-
The observeration itself is where the interest lies.
The interest lies in the very observation.
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Note added at 24 mins (2012-05-21 16:13:57 GMT)
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OK, just seen the further context.
"L´intérêt de cette observation réside dans le fait même et aussi dans la réflexion faite par le neuro-chirurgien consulté dçeclarant qu´il avait déjà été alerté."
Potentially alters the meaning of "observation" from the first literal suggestion to "remark", "comment".
This remark is relevant/pertinent in itself..."
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Yolanda Broad
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S Kelly
: agree with "the remark is relevant/pertinent in itself"
1 hr
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France
Working with words, working with people
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: French to English
is of value in itself
constructively, from the explanation supplied in the discussion entry by Armineh, the asker.
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