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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

en ses observations

English translation:

in keeping with the law

Added to glossary by Anna Maria Augustine (X)
Aug 27, 2005 16:10
18 yrs ago
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French term

en ses observations

French to English Other Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs birth certificate
From a birth certificate:

Les motifs y exposés et les pièces produites;
Le Ministère Public en ses observations;
Après avoir délibéré conformément à l'article --- du code civil
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 in keeping with the law
3 +3 Opinion of/issued by the Attorney-General ('s Department)
5 in its observance of the law
4 +1 in view of their comments
4 as per/within the framework ( of ) its observation/appraisal,
2 +1 in the performance of his duties
3 in his/her own judgement/discernement

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Aug 29, 2005:
As far as I can tell, ALL opinions and input expressed here are informed and valuable. I thanked everyone.
Anna Maria Augustine (X) Aug 28, 2005:
Thank you gad.
Non-ProZ.com Aug 28, 2005:
Thank you, everyone, for answering.
sarahl (X) Aug 27, 2005:
sometimes you just have to cut through the fluff (to put it mildly) ;-)
Non-ProZ.com Aug 27, 2005:
sarahl, I would definitely agree with that, this whole document is like that...;)
Non-ProZ.com Aug 27, 2005:
There are two "Vu" phrases before that.
Nick Lingris Aug 27, 2005:
Hi, gad! Doing our best. Could we please have what comes before "Les motifs..."? There must be some verb. Trying to figure out what the Public Prosecutor's Office has to do with a birth certificate.
Non-ProZ.com Aug 27, 2005:
Hi again, Nick - thanks!:)

Proposed translations

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2 hrs
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in keeping with the law

This is what I found in Harrap's under legal.

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Note added at 4 hrs 16 mins (2005-08-27 20:27:06 GMT)
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Being African French, it will inevitably be different. Always such a mixture of different things, partly dialect..., made up and partly old French.
Peer comment(s):
agree Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) : yes that's the same as in its observance of the law
7 mins
thanks but perhaps no need for a pronoun
neutral Nick Lingris : Please run a Google search on "Ministère Public en ses observations".
41 mins
Irrelevant. read it: www.tahiti-pacifique.com/ Articles.divers/Jugement26-03-04.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Merci:)"
19 mins

as per/within the framework ( of ) its observation/appraisal,

I think this is about it. . .
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1 hr

in its observance of the law

The Public Prosecutor's Office is doing this thing in observance of the law

Ministère is not a person..it's the "office"..

Ergo, the office, in its observance of the law..not performance of duty..that would be for an individual..

Also, the plural in French is rendered as a singular in English...

Peer comment(s):
neutral Nick Lingris : Please run a Google search on "Ministère Public en ses observations". // You should be more observant :-) (Note how some of your habits have started rubbing off on me...) // Well, that's one of your best habits that has rubbed off on me.
1 hr
it means Opinion...I got carried away about your observations..:) Observe, Sir, that I corrected myself..no one here Ever Does That...No one..)
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+1
13 mins

in the performance of his duties

:-}

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Note added at 26 mins (2005-08-27 16:37:37 GMT)
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This is the older use of 'observation' (similar to English observance):
Action d'observer ce qui est prescrit par quelque loi, ce que l'on a promis à quelqu'un. L'observation des commandements de Dieu, des lois. L'observation de sa parole, de sa promesse.

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Note added at 35 mins (2005-08-27 16:46:06 GMT)
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No, I think this means "the Public Prosecutor's argument".

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Note added at 41 mins (2005-08-27 16:52:12 GMT)
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Yes, it must be the Public Prosecutor's oral arguments.
Sorry, but I was totally misled by not seeing the page with the correct encoding.

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Note added at 1 hr 9 mins (2005-08-27 17:20:04 GMT)
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Some documentation:
Ouï le ministère public en ses observations orales tendant au rejet des recours
Après avoir entendu le Ministère Public en ses observations...



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Note added at 1 hr 52 mins (2005-08-27 18:03:44 GMT)
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If there's only just a "vu" preceding this and not a "Ouï" or "Entendu", it may not be a public hearing (well, it's just a birth certificate, after all), and I would suggest a safe "arguments" or "case" of the Public Prosecutor's Office.
Peer comment(s):
agree Allan Jeffs : Yes, but "in the performance of its duties"
2 mins
Well, of course, I saw "le ministre". Encoding problems...
neutral Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) : a ministere publique is not a ministre publique..this is an office not a person
1 hr
Jane, I misread it at first, because my Greek encoding wreaks havoc with accented French characters. Read on, read on.
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+1
3 hrs

in view of their comments

I think this is just stilted French.
Peer comment(s):
agree Nick Lingris
1 day 17 hrs
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15 hrs

in his/her own judgement/discernement

Il serait essentiel de savoir quelle espece de francais est ca
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+3
3 hrs

Opinion of/issued by the Attorney-General ('s Department)

le Ministère Public = Attorney-General / Attorney-General's Department
les observations = opinion, comments, issued by the Attorney-General

as in:
[PDF] Corel Ventura - REFMINP1.CHP
Format de fichier: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Cfr. Le Ministère Public. Entre son passé et son avenir, cit., pp. ...
Irwin S., “Opinions of the Attorney General revived”, American Bar Association ...
www.bibliojuridica.org/libros/1/49/28.pdf - Pages similaires

The Van Oosterwijck case (ECHR, 1980) - [ Traduire cette page ]
The ministère public (Attorney-General's department) submitted on 13 November... The following separate opinions are annexed to the present judgment in ...
www.pfc.org.uk/legal/vo.htm - 83k - En cache - Pages similaires

... among others


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Note added at 5 hrs 18 mins (2005-08-27 21:29:11 GMT)
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as suggested by Sarah, it might also be "Comments" (issued by the AG)

the Court/Judge ruled based on 1) grounds, 2) evidence and 3) AG's opinion/comments

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Note added at 1 day 18 hrs 26 mins (2005-08-29 10:37:46 GMT) Post-grading
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this is not about "observance of the law" or "in accordance with the law" - simply about an opinion/comments/observations issued by the AG

thank you to Jane and Writewaway (particularly since your opinions are informed and therefore valuable)
:) df
Peer comment(s):
agree Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X) : Right...this is right..it's an opinion on a case/matter
1 hr
agree writeaway
2 hrs
agree Nick Lingris
1 day 17 hrs
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