Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Sep 13, 2020 16:45
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French term
Contrefiche
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Architecture
This is from a description of the hayloft in an old farmstead (part of a tourist guide).
There is a glossary that defines "Contrefiche" as a "pièce de charpente servant d’appui à la panne faîtière. Visible de l’extérieur, elle est souvent décorée de motifs religieux ou d’inscriptions."
The passage from the text itself reads:
"La charpente du fenil est remarquable et présente des contrefiches* sculptées où l’on peut lire : « Maison faite par François Million, le 26 juin 1832 » ; « Dieu bénisse cette maison en toute saison » ; ou encore « Maison faite par Genidet de Megève », du nom du charpentier qui offrit sa contrefiche. À l’origine, la toiture était couverte d’ancelles*."
I was originally going to use "brace", but I'm wondering if there is a more specific way of translating this particular feature? Thanks in advance!
There is a glossary that defines "Contrefiche" as a "pièce de charpente servant d’appui à la panne faîtière. Visible de l’extérieur, elle est souvent décorée de motifs religieux ou d’inscriptions."
The passage from the text itself reads:
"La charpente du fenil est remarquable et présente des contrefiches* sculptées où l’on peut lire : « Maison faite par François Million, le 26 juin 1832 » ; « Dieu bénisse cette maison en toute saison » ; ou encore « Maison faite par Genidet de Megève », du nom du charpentier qui offrit sa contrefiche. À l’origine, la toiture était couverte d’ancelles*."
I was originally going to use "brace", but I'm wondering if there is a more specific way of translating this particular feature? Thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
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| 4 +3 | Strut |
B D Finch
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| 3 | ridge brace |
Bourth
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| 3 -3 | counterfeit (copy) |
Lisa Rosengard
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Sep 15, 2020 18:11: B D Finch Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Strut
This sort of term is very specific in English, so it is important to use the correct one. If the timber your text is describing is the one shown as a "contrefiche" in the first reference drawing below, then the correct translation is "strut" (not "brace" or the other alternatives suggested in the Discussion).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Voca_et_...
https://bmroofers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/King-post...
https://www.diydata.com/general_building/roof_construction/c...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Voca_et_...
https://bmroofers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/King-post...
https://www.diydata.com/general_building/roof_construction/c...
Note from asker:
| Thanks! I had actually written strut first off and then doubted myself! |
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
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Thanks Tony
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Suzie Withers
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Thanks Suzie
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Yvonne Gallagher
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Thanks Yvonne
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counterfeit (copy)
A place or a room in a supported frame which is often decorated with religious inscriptions is described.
"The hay-loft frame is remarkable and presents sculptured counterfeits, which can be read. .. The roof was covered with rattles or eyelets (small holes). "
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Note added at 2 days 6 hrs (2020-09-15 23:12:07 GMT) Post-grading
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'conrtefiche' is 'counterfeit' or 'copy' (forged, forgery, forge)
'contrefaçon' is 'counterfeiting'
www.Deepltranslator.com
"The hay-loft frame is remarkable and presents sculptured counterfeits, which can be read. .. The roof was covered with rattles or eyelets (small holes). "
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Note added at 2 days 6 hrs (2020-09-15 23:12:07 GMT) Post-grading
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'conrtefiche' is 'counterfeit' or 'copy' (forged, forgery, forge)
'contrefaçon' is 'counterfeiting'
www.Deepltranslator.com
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Complete nonsense in relation to the context given.
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SafeTex
: You're confusing "contrefiche" with "contrafaçon".
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| disagree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: How does this fit context?
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ridge brace
As described - "pièce de charpente servant d’appui à la panne faîtière (and presumably attached at the other end to the poinçon (kingpost)) - this 'contrefiche' n'en est pas une, I think. Rather, it seems to me, it is a misnamed lien de faitage. Only a photo will really tell, so medium confidence only.
A contrefiche is in the plane of a truss. It can run between the poinçon and an arbalétrier, in which case it is a 'strut', or between the entrait and an arbalétrier, in which case it is a 'truss web' (see images).
A lien de faitage, on the other hand, is in a plane at right angles to the truss, i.e. in the same direction as the ridge beam and purlins. And it is known as a 'wind brace' (confusing, since wind braces can be found in many locations) or, more precisely in my opinion, a 'ridge brace'.
In your case, this ridge brace is associated with the hay loft. Not only that, it is visible from the outside of the building. I therefore assume the eaves of the roof project a sufficient distance beyond the gable wall to both afford good protection from the elements AND to require bracing.
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Note added at 999 days (2023-06-10 14:31:47 GMT) Post-grading
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A contrefiche is in the plane of a truss. It can run between the poinçon and an arbalétrier, in which case it is a 'strut', or between the entrait and an arbalétrier, in which case it is a 'truss web' (see images).
A lien de faitage, on the other hand, is in a plane at right angles to the truss, i.e. in the same direction as the ridge beam and purlins. And it is known as a 'wind brace' (confusing, since wind braces can be found in many locations) or, more precisely in my opinion, a 'ridge brace'.
In your case, this ridge brace is associated with the hay loft. Not only that, it is visible from the outside of the building. I therefore assume the eaves of the roof project a sufficient distance beyond the gable wall to both afford good protection from the elements AND to require bracing.
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Note added at 999 days (2023-06-10 14:31:47 GMT) Post-grading
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