Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
On recrée l'antagonisme entre le Paradis originel et le Temps de la faute à compter duquel l'humanité,ayant déplu au divin, se v
English translation:
This is a reenactment of the antagonism between the original paradise and the time of the Fall when man fell in God's disfavour,
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William Stein
Jan 11, 2003 21:52
21 yrs ago
French term
antagonisme entre le Paradis originel et le Temps de la faute
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On recrée l'antagonisme entre le Paradis originel et le Temps de la faute à compter duquel l'humanité,ayant déplu au divin, se voit contraindre au labeur.
About the theory which contrasts Palaeolithic man (relaxed, close to nature) with Neolithic man (forced to work, distanced from nature).
About the theory which contrasts Palaeolithic man (relaxed, close to nature) with Neolithic man (forced to work, distanced from nature).
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Mar 25, 2011 09:31: Stéphanie Soudais (X) changed "Term asked" from "sentence" to "antagonisme entre le Paradis originel et le Temps de la faute "
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Translations that read like originals
Native in: English (Variants: UK, US) 
Works in: French to English, German to English, Spanish to English, and 3 more.
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New version without typos (I hope)
This a recreation of the antagonism between the original paradise and the time of the Fall, ever since which man has been forced to work [or if you want to get biblical: to earn his living by the sweat of his brow].
I think the present tense "se voit" should be translated with the present perfect in English, just as "j'habite Paris depuis 6 ans" is translated as "I have lived in Paris..." (à compter duquel = since).
The idea must be that the hunter gatherers lived off the fat of the land like Adam and Eve, whereas the farmers, who represent a more "advanced" phase of civilization, are forced to till the soil. (It is interesting to note that "labourer" originally meant to plow).
Que vivent les nomades!
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Sorry, I forgot the divinity (no lightning bolts please!):
There is a recreation of the antagonism between the original paradise and the time of the Fall when man fell in God's disfavour, ever since which man has been forced to work.
I think the present tense "se voit" should be translated with the present perfect in English, just as "j'habite Paris depuis 6 ans" is translated as "I have lived in Paris..." (à compter duquel = since).
The idea must be that the hunter gatherers lived off the fat of the land like Adam and Eve, whereas the farmers, who represent a more "advanced" phase of civilization, are forced to till the soil. (It is interesting to note that "labourer" originally meant to plow).
Que vivent les nomades!
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Sorry, I forgot the divinity (no lightning bolts please!):
There is a recreation of the antagonism between the original paradise and the time of the Fall when man fell in God's disfavour, ever since which man has been forced to work.
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Noel Castelino
: I agree with this version but suggest "replay" (or "repetition/reproduction/etc) for "recreation".
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cjohnstone
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Once more the antagonism between the Earthly Paradise and the Time of misdeed is set up, and from now on the humanity, having displeased the divinity, will see itself forced to work.
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Nicolas Basalgete (X)
Nicolas Basalgete (X)
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Works in: English to French, French to English
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"We recreate the antagonism between the Original Paradise and the Time of the Fall, when humanity, having offended the divine, finds itself condemned to work."
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Will need more information on the context.
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: sounds pretty good to me...
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Protradit
: I think "The antagonism between... and the Time of the Fall is recreated, when humanity...' would be better. This appears to be a description of a document in which the author of this description may not have participated.
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JCEC
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A clash in time of Earthly Paradise and a Fall from Grace is recreated, whereby humankind must...
"A clash in time of Earthly Paradise and a Fall (from Grace) is recreated, whereby humankind must henceforth labour to appease the offended divinity"
It seems to be more an archetypal conflict of social motivation than an ideological antagonosism
Agree with "Earthly Paradise" here, rather than 'Paradise' or 'Heaven', but don't think it's necessary to say 'the Time of Fall';
'a Fall from Grace' is less explicitly Biblical.
The rest is literary style.
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(that\'s \'antagonism\', of course)
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Another construction, and suspecting that, in English, the Past tenses are more appropriate here than the Present:
\"(From) out of (their) earthly Paradise, a term of Fallen Grace imposed itself which henceforth indentured humankind to appeasing the offended deity\"
It seems to be more an archetypal conflict of social motivation than an ideological antagonosism
Agree with "Earthly Paradise" here, rather than 'Paradise' or 'Heaven', but don't think it's necessary to say 'the Time of Fall';
'a Fall from Grace' is less explicitly Biblical.
The rest is literary style.
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(that\'s \'antagonism\', of course)
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Note added at 2003-01-12 00:09:37 (GMT)
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Another construction, and suspecting that, in English, the Past tenses are more appropriate here than the Present:
\"(From) out of (their) earthly Paradise, a term of Fallen Grace imposed itself which henceforth indentured humankind to appeasing the offended deity\"
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