Michael Beijer Jan 13, 2016:

@Timoshka: Agree that a station doesn't have to be a huge building, or complex.

However, the real problem, as I see it, is a linguistic one. And I find it very odd that freek, who is 100% Dutch, and has a pretty good command of English, doesn't get it.

It says "ontvangstpost" [= station], not "ontvangstpaal" [= pole].

On a related not, in Dutch, you'd say "telegraafpaal", not "telegraafpost". Calling something a "telegraafpost" (when you mean "telegraafpaal") just sounds weird in Dutch.

For freek to be correct, your text would have to say sth like:

"Deze Vreemdeling vraagt toelating tot het plaatsen van een ontvangstpaal van draadlooze telegraaf."

Timoshka (asker) Jan 13, 2016:

After more research, I'm really wondering if the difference between put up a wireless telegraph station or pole is all that great. I found a 1912 newspaper article, which mentions a 15-year-old who had "constructed a complete wireless telegraph station on the roof of his father's house...but was unable to read the messages on account of the receiving pole not being high enough in the air." If this American in Antwerp was requesting to put up a receiving pole, he would still need the other equipment that made up the receiving station. It would be like putting up a TV antenna without having a TV. If this American in Antwerp already had all the equipment needed (for which he wouldn't have needed permission), he may have just needed permission to put up the pole, since he was in a residential area in the city...

Michael Beijer Jan 13, 2016:

@freek: Yeah, sure, post (NL) can sometimes also mean paal (NL) (and by extension, "pole" in English, but not really for this kind of thing (a telegraph pole).

Van Dale:

post:
paal, in de zin van:
1a paal of stijl aan een raam of deuropening, gewoonlijk elk van de rechtopstaande zijkanten
1b paal van een hek, rasterwerk e.d.
1c min of meer sierlijke stijl bij trapleuningen enz.

After all, in Dutch, you'd say "telegraafpaal", not "telegraafpost", or am I missing sth?

Michael Beijer Jan 13, 2016:

"• Bij het andere model (1854?) is de spanningsbron een 'magneto' die dus een wisselstroom op de lijn stuurde. De magneto produceerde bij elke toer van de zwengel 8 sinusgolven (acht + en acht - halve golven). Elk van de 16 halve golven (alternanties) doet de ontvangstwijzer één karakter verder springen. Daarom moest altijd de eigen ontvanger in serie geschakeld worden met die van de ontvangstpost. Men moest dan doordraaien tot de wijzer op de eigen ontvanger aanbelandde op het gewenste karakter. Dan was het even een seconde wachten tot de ontvanger dit karakter had kunnen noteren om vervolgens verder te draaien naar het volgend karakter toe." ("HET INTERNET VAN DE 19e EEUW": http://goo.gl/JZeODz )

Michael Beijer Jan 13, 2016:

wat is een "ontvangstpost"? "In veel gevallen was het ook zo dat er twee personen werden aangesteld aan de ontvangstpost: een eerste die de signalen observeerde, decodeerde en dan luidop citeerde aan een tweede persoon, de zogenaamde 'amanuensis', die ze moest noteren. "("HET INTERNET VAN DE 19e EEUW": http://goo.gl/JZeODz )

I am not entirely sure whether an "ontvangstpost" is only the station (entire building, etc.) or if it can also refer to some kind of actual device used in such a building, for receiving the signals, etc., but I am quite sure "ontvangstpost" does not just mean a "pole".

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

@freek: post (NL) = station (ENG)
paal (NL) = pole (ENG)

Sinds wanneer betekent "post" (in het Nederlands) pole (in het Engels)? The only case I know where this would be the case is if we were talking about a "post" (NL) in the sense of "raamstijl" or a "deurstijl" = post (ENG).

Anders had er toch "zend/ontvangstpaal" gestaan, ipv "ontvangstpost"?

freekfluweel Jan 12, 2016:

report about the conduct of an American American is already living/working there so he's not necessarily looking for a job. The Belgian authorities are examining his behavior (conduct) and find it weird/appalling that this f****ng American had plans to put a telegraph pole (in his back yard)... that's about conduct...

Timoshka (asker) Jan 12, 2016:

@freekfluweel Dank U! I did find many English-language references to wireless telegraph "receiving poles," so I will change my translation accordingly.

freekfluweel Jan 12, 2016:

post = paal !!! ontvangstmast in NL-NL: telegraafpaal

http://www.encyclo.nl/begrip/telegraafpaal

http://www.vlaamswoordenboek.be/definities/term/post

van Dale: 1. paal

Als het een "receiving station" betrof dan had er niet 'tot het plaatsen van' maar 'tot het bouwen van een telegraafstation gestaan!!!

ontvangstmast

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

@Timoshka: You're welcome!

Timoshka (asker) Jan 12, 2016:

Thanks! I did some Googling and did find what you suggested. Thus, I'm going with "This foreigner requests permission to put up a wireless telegraph receiving station."

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

(my comment over at the other question) "Deze vreemdeling vraagt toelating tot het plaatsen van een ontvangstpost van draadlooze telegraaf."

=

Deze vreemdeling = this foreigner
vraagt toelating tot = asked to be allowed to
het plaatsen van een ontvangstpost = place/install/build a receiver post/station
van draadlooze telegraaf = for a wireless telegraph

it definitely does not mean:

"This foreigner requests permission to take a position at a wireless telegraph station,"

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

oops In Dutch, "post" is "post" (as in station), not "pole". That would be "paal".

Therefore, I am pretty sure that "een ontvangstpost van draadlooze telegraaf" means "wireless telegraph (reception) station". Or something like it. As I said, you'd have to Google the exact terminology used for such stuff.

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

this is a copy of this question: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/dutch_to_english/business_commerce...

Michael Beijer Jan 12, 2016:

don't know much about telegraph poles, but maybe: "wireless telegraph (reception) pole"?
"wireless telegraph (reception) station"?


You'd have to Google "wireless telegraph poles" a bit and figure out whether "post" in your text means "station", or an actual "pole".