Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

He stepped on six gray (grey) flagstones

English answer:

He stepped on six gray (grey) flagstones

Added to glossary by Will Matter
Dec 23, 2004 06:44
19 yrs ago
English term

Please help with the sentence

English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature children's literature
The Traveler did not go directly over to the King; he first stepped one by one on six gray flagstones, then edged along the wall stepping on six blue stones, and then finally went along six black ones towards the center of the hall.

The context:
A magician has come to the King's hall. He does not go straight to the King for he knows there might be traps beneath the floor.
This is my translation of a Russian fantasy for children.

Please help with the structure - it seems a bit awkward to me. Could anyone propose any other ways to get across the same idea? Could it be put in a more appropriate way?
Please ignore the first part before the semicolon, for it seems OK. The part AFTER the semicolon is what I'm trying to polish.

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Dec 23, 2004:
Asker It is supposed to be American English, hence the "gray" spelling.

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He stepped on six gray (grey) flagstones

The whole thing should read: "He stepped on six gray (grey) flagstones, one by one, then he edged along the wall by stepping on six blue (flag)stones and, finally, he went along six black (flag)stones towards the center of the hall". This is natural, colloquial and correct English. "Gray" can be spelled either way and you can say "stones" or "flagstones" for everything in parentheses. HTH.

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Note added at 2004-12-23 18:50:11 (GMT)
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Note: I\'m a native English speaker (American) so this example should fit your needs.
Peer comment(s):

agree bigedsenior
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agree Michele Fauble
2 hrs
Thank you.
agree airmailrpl : -
5 hrs
Obrigado, thanks.
agree NancyLynn
7 hrs
Thanks, merci.
agree Java Cafe
10 hrs
Ozasro dhanyabad ;)
agree mportal
15 hrs
Thanks, merci. Happy holidays.
disagree Refugio : Delete "by", "toward" for American English, and "went along" doesn't really flow.//I don't doubt that you are a native speaker, but are you actually living in the US to be aware of current usage?
20 hrs
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38 mins

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I can't see anything wrong with it as it stands except that gray should be spelt grey for a colour (gray is the spelling of the surname), IMO. In fact the slightly broken style tends to suit the hesitant approach of the magician.

I also strongly disagree with people who start talking about "correct" English where it has to do with style. There is no such thing as "correct style".
Find your own style and if it works, stick to it.

You could take almost any sentence you like from modern English literature, post it here and watch how many people will start crawling all over in an attempt to exhibit their academic superiority.

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Note added at 5 hrs 18 mins (2004-12-23 12:03:29 GMT)
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Please also remember that a native English reader will not read your sentence/book word by word as a non-native might, they will scan it almost subconsciously and \"absorb\" it. Any mistakes or incongruity of grammar/style will interrupt this scanning process and raise a questiong eyebrow....mistake here! Whereas a non-native, when confronted with extremes of style, MAY try to align the text to the \"model\" they have thus far learned and may assume the text to be \"badly\" or \"wrongly\" written if it doesn\'t fit this model.
Peer comment(s):

agree Krisztina Lelik : You are right!
1 hr
Thanks.
neutral Nesrin : "Gray" is the American variant of the British "grey" (www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/2284/)
2 hrs
You don't say? I'm afraid I tend to assume UK English unless question states otherwise.
agree airmailrpl : -
3 hrs
Thanks.
agree juvera : I agree with every word you wrote.
7 hrs
Thank you.
agree RHELLER : with There is no such thing as "correct style" but wonder why you are making a snide remark about "academic superiority"
10 hrs
Snide is your perception of it, Rita. I think you know very well what I mean- you've been around long enough.
disagree zaphod : Wow, and I've heard some good ones at the New York Times. I thought you were against people trying to sound academic, sorry pedantic.
16 hrs
What's New York Times please? An American fantasy for children?
agree Charlie Bavington : and excellent comment about the broken style suiting the scene.
16 hrs
Thank you Charlie. I wasn't being facetious either, I wish I was half as good going out of my native language.
disagree James Girard : colour or color? British or American? The intended audience makes the difference without much further explantion necessary
18 hrs
I really don't believe these small spelling differences are serious enough to spoil the plot. But obviously serious enough to risk spoiling this question.
neutral Will Matter : "Gray" IS the spelling of the color and for names i seem to remember both Greystoke & Earl Grey as being UK usage.
22 hrs
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3 hrs

It's the first part that is the problem

I have no problem with the structure of the second part, or of the spelling of 'gray' or 'grey'. The question in my mind is -why- the traveler did not take the direct path to the king and had to step on all those particular flagstones. I think that should be explained either in the first part of the sentence, or in the sentence before (which perhaps it is, but, we don't see that in the example). Otherwise, it's fine.

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Note added at 11 hrs 35 mins (2004-12-23 18:20:31 GMT)
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In response to your further inquiry, since your audience is American, then \'gray\' is perfectly acceptable as color. \'grey\' is simply not one of the American Crayola crayon colors. This from their website:

\"Crayola® Crayons - 12 Large - Refill (Gray)

Box contains 12 Gray crayons. Use these to replenish your supply of popular colors!

Recommended for Kids: Under 5\"

It\'s what Americans grow up with. Using \'grey\' as a color in the context of a children\'s story would have American kids scratching their heads.

HTH!

-JAG

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Note added at 11 hrs 38 mins (2004-12-23 18:23:33 GMT)
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BTW: Crayola\'s website page where I got the reference

http://www.crayola.com/canwehelp/result.cfm

Scroll down through the colors...
Peer comment(s):

agree airmailrpl : Otherwise, it's fine.
6 mins
neutral Gareth McMillan : ? kids in America have to be under 5 inches to use grey crayons?
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11 hrs

attempt below

The Traveler didn't walk directly up to the King. Instead, he stepped one by one on six gray flagstones, then edged his way along the wall, stepping only on six blue ones. Finally, he followed six black flagstones toward the center of the hall.

Hello! I just split it up a bit, made a couple of very minor style changes, and changed the spelling of "towards" - US spelling is "toward" - to match the rest.

Good luck!

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Note added at 11 hrs 17 mins (2004-12-23 18:02:06 GMT)
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By the way - it already sounds a damn sight better than some of the stuff I get to proofread, so please don\'t worry about it not being \"correct\" style! I think it\'s pretty much fine the way it is ;-)

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Note added at 12 hrs 33 mins (2004-12-23 19:17:46 GMT)
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By the way - it already sounds a damn sight better than some of the stuff I get to proofread, so please don\'t worry about it not being \"correct\" style! I think it\'s pretty much fine the way it is ;-)
Peer comment(s):

neutral Will Matter : U.S. usage is "towards" also.
48 mins
hehe "towards" is actually a variant of "toward" in US Eng. And that's a reason to give my whole sentence a "neutral"? Bah humbug ;-)
agree Gareth McMillan : Hope the questioner sees a move toward(s) consensus here.
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17 hrs

it's fine but

It's truly fine. The use of "then.....and then" is great. Stop start - builds up a little tension etc. Just backing up Gareth's comment, really.

One minor point, and it may be irrelevant because of what comes before it (e.g. a description of the floor). Or it may just be me. But I had to read it twice to realise that the gray flagstones were heading towards the wall.
Otherwise, it's fine, really.
Peer comment(s):

agree Gareth McMillan : It catches the interest, doesn't it? I'd like to read the rest of the story when it's finished. //Shouldn't that be "uz" lot (USE)? (heh, heh).
36 mins
Yeah, it sounds like an interesting tale. And Andrew's use of English is well nigh impeccable, like you said before. I dunno why he bothers asking us lot...!!
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21 hrs

The traveler did not approach the King directly. Instead, he first stepped on six gray flagstones,

one by one; then he edged along the six blue stones that bordered the wall; and finally, he walked (carefully) across six black stones toward the center of the hall.

"toward" for English American-style
three different verbs if you want variety
Peer comment(s):

disagree Will Matter : Yes. it absolutely is a matter of usage. I'm aware of current U.S. usage & both "by" & "towards" are correct. Your self-perceived "flow" is irrelevant, the goal is to give the asker an answer that's as close to the original as possible.
2 hrs
See my comment above. Did I mention any "rules"? It is simply a matter of usage. We are well aware that the Brits say "towards", and it doesn't trouble us.
agree Judith Kerman : For style and fluidity, this one gets my vote.
1 day 1 hr
Thank you, Judith! Happy holidays.
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